I don't want to steal Will's spotlight, so I'll keep this short, re: Downtown Amherst Contra Dance:

- we did have people in early 30s, but point still stands; he directly chose to recruit young organizers

- it's hard to keep college-age organizers more than 2 or 3 years, because they usually need to move for a job after college. But they're so, so worth it.

- The real secret sauce of Will's founding of DACD was actually putting the values first: "I want to make our dance the friendliest and most welcoming anywhere." He said this over and over, and the committee's decisions always came back to this. 

And this is why I am a consummate advocate for social groups to have a written statement of values as the centerpiece of its policies. Any policy decision can be compared to the statement of values, and then evaluated. There's no ambiguity with committee members - when you join, you know what the group is about. By contrast, most group conflicts I have seen typically arise when there's unstated underlying values that different members may have. And because they're unstated, the debate often goes round and round.

Julian Blechner
He/Him
DACD committee member

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 9:56 AM Joe Harrington via Organizers <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Is Will Loving in the house?  Or anyone from the Amherst, MA, Wednesday night contra?  He was the ONLY person on the board over 30 in the years after he founded it, and it was largely a college/post-college crowd, the few times I was privileged to attend.  He told me that was his formula.  Maybe he can give details. This was in the mid-2010s, I think.

To me, there is a big difference between events run by and for younger dancers and broad community events with a predominantly older crowd trying to make up for our lame recruiting/retention efforts a few decades back, so we can keep our dances from dying as we age out, or to bring some energy into them, or out of some principle of inclusion. Or whatever our real reasons are for focusing so heavily on recruiting younger dancers (which, guilty, I do for their energy).

--jh--




On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:27 AM Chrissy Fowler via Organizers <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Thanks Dana, for this reframing of the conversation! Shakes things up a bit in my mind. Love it. 

In Belfast ME, where our demographics have skewed toward a majority of dancers in teens-early 30s, we recruited board members in that age range because they already were the majority. (See https://www.belfastflyingshoes.org/board-of-directors

I’m curious what other organizers have experienced when they recruited people in teens/20s in order to increase that demographic among their dancers.

Cheers, 
Chrissy Fowler 
Belfast ME


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From: Dana Dwinell-Yardley via Organizers <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2023 11:13:16 AM
To: A list for dance organizers <organizers@sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Organizers] Re: Attracting young dancers
 
And I forgot to note that my dance is Montpelier, VT!

On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 10:56 AM Dana Dwinell-Yardley <danadwya@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm coming in late to this discussion with a thought from the Form the Ocean dance weekend in 2019. They held a community discussion at that weekend structured around the idea of starting at "Point D." As in, with big conversations in our communities, we so often churn round and round on points A, B, C: "how do we get more diversity?? we're so [white/old/middle class/etc]! but we need diversity!" 

What if, instead, we started at point D and bypassed those first few questions that we always start with?

I would suggest that Point D for this conversation about young dancers might be:
"Our dance *already has* age diversity. How shall we be with the people already in the room?"
rather than scrambling to say "we need morrrrrrrrre young dancers!" 

I'm 36, an in-between sort of age in the contra dance world. I started dancing 19 years ago, when I was 17. I absolutely started dancing because it was a place to hang out with my friends. And, I could tell which adults would talk to me like I was a fellow dancer, and which ones talked to me like I was a Young Person. I still have friendships with the ones who treated me like a person to this day. 

Get to know your young dancers like you would get to know anyone else you don't know yet! Don't be overbearing! Be friendly, ask them to dance, learn about their lives, but also leave them alone to do their own thing and hang with their friends. Treat them like humans and not A Class of People We Need for Diversity. People can tell when they're being tokenized. 

(My friend group and I had an experience about 4-5 years ago at our local English dance where the dance organizers/regulars practically *pounced* on us as we walked in the door and were like "wow! young people! so nice to have young people! can we give you a discount? will you come back again? will you bring your friends?" and we were like "...um we're just here to English dance?" It was very off-putting and made us LESS likely to come back again!)

I also have lots of thoughts about fostering a culture of consent, non-gendered role terms, young people on your organizing committee, etc, but I'll save them for another day!

Thanks,
Dana


On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:55 AM Sandy Seiler via Organizers <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Our community, like many others, has fewer young dancers than we would like.  I am wondering how different factors influence that and what we can do.

Does the night of the week matter?  We dance on a Saturday night.  Would Friday be better?

Does frequency matter?  We dance once a month?

Does location matter?  We have a college (University of Kansas KU)  Would a dance location closer to or on campus matter? 

Are outreach strategies effective and what has your community found successful?

Thanks, 
Sandy Seiler
Lawrence, Kansas
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