Hi everyone,
I'd like people to consider a few things when discussing covid...
* People are asking what others are doing. Not asking for advice on what they should be
doing. Please don't offer unsolicited advice. I think it is useful to hear what is
happening at other dances. But if there is going to be negative/critical feedback, people
will not share.
* This is email. No one is going to change someone else's mind. If you don't
agree with the guidelines that a dance is using, don't go to it. Please don't
attack or criticize the poster. Often, the poster is only one person of a committee
making the decisions. Don't shoot the messenger.
* Please watch the tone of your email, or how others might perceive the tone of your
email. It might feel rude or critical, even if you didn't intend it. Responders -
instead of jumping on someone publicly, please write to them privately, saying "that
felt rude. Did you intend it that way?" Maybe they will apologize.
* We are all doing our best here. We are all coming from different geographic areas which
each have their own particular local culture, especially regarding masking. Please be
kind to each other if someone else's guidelines don't agree with yours.
Bottom line: This list is NOT a place to discuss the effectiveness of masks, vaccines,
etc. This is a thread asking what other people are doing. No one has asked if others
think their policy is good.
Thank you,
Seth
On Apr 12, 2023, at 10:33 AM, Emily Addison via
Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Folks :)
I was hoping to chime in too. Although likely not as eloquently as I would like.
I really appreciated Chrissy's email about being open and this being a place of
learning. I really value talking with and learning from other organizers. It's great
to hear various perspectives.
In my own little microcosm of the Ottawa Ontario area, I see varying perspectives.
The Ottawa Contra Dance community (which has been dancing for around 30 years and which I
helped organize for a decade) still has mandatory masks. I know there are differing views
in that community.
And there's a new dance series 40min north of here in the Quebec Hills which I'm
calling at. At that event, there are 70-100 people and virtually no one is wearing a
mask. There's not even any communication about masks or vaccines. I'm sure there
are at least a few people who aren't coming because there are no masks ... on the
other hand... this is a brand new series filled with so much joy and it's super
multi-generational and bringing in both the francophone and anglophone communities as well
as some members of the LGBTQ2 community.
Further afield, I see Montreal Contra being very clear in their communication that masks
are required, and then no masks being worn at the Quebec Contra dances.
I danced recently in Syracuse and I personally appreciated their policy.
https://syracusecountrydancers.org/covid-19-mitigation-protocols/
I wanted to add one last perspective that I think it a bit interesting. Last year, I had
stage 3 breast cancer and so underwent 4 months of pretty serious chemo where my immune
system was REALLY low. There was absolutely no way I was going to go to a dance, even if
everyone was masked. It's just my perspective for that window of time, but I was
happy other people were dancing period .... and it didn't bother me that there were
dances happening where people were unmasked and I couldn't go. There were lots of
things I couldn't do but I appreciated that those folks were having fun in different
ways. Again.. just my perspective.
I think it's wonderful that communities choosing different practices... what feels
best for their series and their community. It's wonderful to hear the variety of
responses in these very unusual times.
:) Emily n Ottawa
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 9:10 AM Woody Lane via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Seth suggested a 2-day cooling off period before any new posts on this topic. A good
idea. I am traveling in Australia right now, and between the 200 different time zones, the
switch to standard time from daylight savings time, and the international date line, it’s
taken me about 2 days to figure out the 2-day lag. In any case, hoping enough time has
passed, I'd like to add some thoughts about this issue that may be helpful for those
who have the difficult responsibilities of trying to make decisions about their dances.
If we are considering ending or changing the covid rules for our dances, there are some
basic things that can underlie our decisions:
* Covid is a respiratory disease. It invades the body through mucous membranes in the
mouth, nose, and sometimes the eyes.
* The virus spreads primarily through droplets and aerosols expelled through the mouth
and nose. But virus particles can be easily diluted and dispersed by wind, including good
air movement.
* Contra dancing is an activity where people breathe on each other, interacting with many
people in a short period of time, over and over again. Sometimes breathing hard. Nearly
always indoors.
* CDC guidelines are not based on contra dancing. Even in medical facilities, patients,
doctors, and nurses do not swing each other, breathe into each others' faces, and
change partners every 35 seconds (at least I hope not). Guidelines for medical facilities
are not directly relevant to contra dances.
* The current variants of this coronavirus are much more transmissible than the earlier
variants. Meaning that data from the pre-delta/pre-omicron period may be misleading and
not properly relevant to today's circumstances.
* Vaccinated people can indeed get infected and sick with covid, but in general their
transmissible phase (when they can infect others) is a day or so shorter and usually
contains lower levels of the virus, compared to unvaccinated people.
* The current covid statistics from the CDC and other agencies have some serious
problems. While the reported rates of deaths and hospitalizations are probably accurate,
the reported rates of infection (derived from testing) are systematically biased low
because so many people now test at home without officially reporting the results.
So, after three years of not dancing together and/or complying with covid restrictions of
requiring vaccinations, wearing masks, etc -- well, here are my thoughts --
* Masks are still critical in contra dances. The general infection rate is higher than
officially reported. Especially important for people vulnerable to being infected. (This
is in the U.S. Other countries with higher vaccination rates may have much lower infection
rates.). The protection with masks goes both ways.
* Vaccinations -- not so much, especially if people wear good masks (N95 or equivalent)
and the mask requirement is enforced. Also, people who have been sick recently with covid
are well-protected from having a transmissible virus load. (The operative word here is
"recently". But the practical question is the definition of “recently”.)
* Air movement in the room -- this item has not been emphasized enough, although it's
extremely important. And it’s something that dance groups can directly improve at their
dances. Open windows, multiple fans, etc. Also, dance organizers can easily monitor air
movement with a carbon dioxide sensor (portable sensors are available for less than $100).
Place one in a room and see what happens during the dance evening. CO2 is heavier than
air. People breathe out CO2. Therefore, CO2 levels in a room can be a proxy for the risk
of covid transmission because CO2 levels reflect the amount of air movement. Atmospheric
CO2 levels are around 413 ppm. If the air doesn't move much, CO2 levels will quickly
rise during a dance evening, sometimes to more than 1,000 ppm. If the CO2 level can be
maintained below 600 ppm, this probably indicates that air is circulating relatively
efficiently, which reduces the risk of viral particle buildup. Keeping the CO2 level near
413 ppm is even better. (It’s a well-known fact, for example, that exhaled coronaviruses
are not very transmissible in a 40-mph prevailing wind.)
* Mandatory reporting – need to know if any dancers experience covid symptoms or test
positive soon after a dance event. Collecting this information is awkward and cumbersome,
probably pie-in-the-sky, but it would be a good statistic. And provide assurance to
everyone, especially over time.
Long and complex, but just my two cents.
Woody
Woody Lane
Caller, Percussive Dancer, Event Organizer
Roseburg, OR
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Subject: [Organizers] Is it time to change our mask mandates?
Hello fellow organizers,
I have been a big proponent of our dance mask mandates and feel we have prevented quite a
bit of COVID spread by requiring good facemasks.
However, our local hospital has announced that after 3 years of a mask mandate for
everyone entering their building (it’s both a hospital and a medical center), they are
lifting the mandate on April 10 for anyone asymptomatic and who hasn’t had a recent COVID
contact.
Our board will be discussing this soon but I am very curious about what other organizers
think. Is it time? And what should be our criteria for lifting our mandates?
Best,
Lisa
Monadnock Folklore Society
Nelson, NH
Lisa Sieverts
603-762-0235
lisa(a)lisasieverts.com <mailto:lisa@lisasieverts.com>
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