20 Mar
2021
20 Mar
'21
4:14 p.m.
I think the reason we care about this issue is that while we are a public
gathering, we are also a community. We know our community, and many
communities in general, include people who have strong preferences for not
being recorded, regardless of end use of the photo/video, (and also people
under 18), and we want to explore how we can preserve their ability to
fully/joyfully participate in the community, while allowing others to take
photos and video for promotional and social purposes.
Compromises - some people who often take photos at Mt Airy have gotten
really good at artistic filters that still capture the energy and beauty of
the event while obscuring people's faces. Or one line of the hall can be
designated 'off-camera'.
An unresolved tension is that performers and organizers benefit from the
ability to take video of the whole hall. Capturing the full energy and
scale of the event allows organizers to promote the dance and performers to
promote themselves to other dances. Maybe the only solution is to blur out
the people in a video who wish to be off camera. I hope there are some ways
to do this that are accessible for people who aren't tech-savvy.
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:43 AM Alex Shevits via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I have to ask. I apologize if somebody already has
asked this. How does a
person in 2021 avoid being photographed. Drive a car? Traffic cameras.
Walk down the street? Security cameras. Walk past your neighbors house?
Security camera. Walk in a store, a bank? Security cameras. We know we
are being photographed every where we go. We have no control over how or
when our photo will be used. Everybody (almost) has a phone with a
camera.
Somebody mentioned people in the witness protection program. It made me
think, how do these people avoid being photographed?
Back to dance halls. Can a person who has to accept the reality of
security cameras realistically attend a public gathering and require the
organizers to prohibit photography? I wonder.
On 3/20/2021 10:21 AM, Lisa Brown via Organizers wrote:
Posting vs Tagging
Sometimes, being tagged in the photos is what bothers people not the
posting of the photos. But even if your dance organization doesn't tag
people in the photos, other people can still tag people. Or as someone else
previously mentioned, other dance attendees, who are not under your
control, can post photos and tag.
Lisa
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:04 AM Stephen Moore <stevmoor(a)mac.com> wrote:
I believe that public gatherings are any
gatherings that welcome the
public whether they’re paying or not. So aside from publicly-owned
facilities, all spaces are privately-owned. Tanglewood is privately owned…
Fenway Park is privately owned, but they are still public gatherings.
If a dance community decided to form a club with membership which was
required for entry (like a members-only golf course) then those would be
private events. Invitation-only events are not public events like weddings.
But our dances, which we advertise in hopes of having the public come (and
in the serious hope that we’ll have some new dancers each night!) are
public events.
Stephen Moore
Lenox Contra Dance
and not a lawyer...
On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's my understanding that most dances are held in non-public spaces, and
thus, not public gatherings. No?
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Hello everyone,
Gads, worrying over dancing issues seems so long ago.
Re: photographs. I edit a small town monthly newspaper/journal in
western Massachusetts and so the laws around photography are pertinent.
It’s pretty simple as far as what is legal- Photography of people,
regardless of age, at a public gathering is permissible without permission.
But as an ongoing event, you might wish to have a more considered
approach, especially if someone has raised it within your dance community.
And by example, a school classroom setting is not a public gathering.
Common sense should prevail too.
Stephen Moore
Lenox Contra Dance
On Mar 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Lisa Brown via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
Also from our social contract:
Children
● Children are welcome; however, those under 18 must come with an adult.
Lisa
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:01 PM Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
wrote:
Stephen Moore
P.O. Box 38
Monterey, MA 01245
413-528-4007
Hi Lisa,
How do you handle situations where someone is taking pictures of the
whole crowd if you have minors dancing?
Do you not allow people under 18 to attend your dance without a
responsible adult?
Jeff
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:27 PM Lisa Brown <lisa(a)cdrochester.org>
wrote:
>
> We have a photography policy for minors and musicians. It's part of
our social contract.
>
> Photography, Videography, and Recording
> ● Permission of the responsible adult must be obtained before
publishing photos or videos of minor children.
> ● Permission of the performers should be obtained before making
videos or recordings.
>
> Lisa - Country Dancers of Rochester
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:28 PM Jeff Kaufman via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> BIDA has:
>>
>> "Photography: We don't have a photography policy, and it is common
for
>> dancers to take pictures and post them on social media." --
>> https://www.bidadance.org/accessibility
>>
>> We talked a lot about ways in which we could potentially make the
>> dance better for people who don't want to be photographed or have
>> their pictures shared, but we ended up running into the same problems
>> Alan describes.
>>
>> If you have a place where people can trust that photos of them will
>> not appear on social media without them having the option to opt out,
>> then there are people who can come to your dance who couldn't
>> otherwise. On the other hand, if you make some effort in this
>> direction but it still happens, which is what will happen unless you
>> have quite strict enforcement (especially with newcomers), you aren't
>> successfully making the dance more accessible and you are making the
>> dance less enjoyable for dancers who like sharing photos.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:19 PM Winston, Alan P. via Organizers
>> <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > BACDS started trying to address this 10 or so years ago when we
wanted to put dance images in our publicity and privacy concerns meant that
we couldn't just use pictures. It was very frustrating that while the
Board was arguing about this stuff pictures of our dances from random
dancers were turning up on FB with no concern for privacy. We eventually
concluded that if we were going to take publicity photos we'd let people
know beforehand, announce what dance in the evening we were going to do it
in, and let people sit down or leave the room for that one dance.
>> >
>> > That's okay when you're in charge of the photographer.
>> >
>> > It turns out to be effectively impossible to really prevent
photography without draconian measures like searches at the door and
confiscating all the cellphones.
>> >
>> > The people who don't want to be photographed range from people who
just have a preference to people for whom it's a matter of survival - those
who have fled violent abusers or who are, say, in witness protection. You
cannot guarantee their safety and they need to understand that you can do
at most a best-effort attempt.
>> >
>> > Given that, it's useful to designate one line as photos okay and
have signage at the desk about not photographing outside of that line, but
people will still miss or forget the signage, so organizers have to keep an
eye on it and announcements have to be made, which may on any given night
be for the benefit of people who aren't there.
>> >
>> > I don't think we've tried giving people "no photos
please"
badges. That might be effective in that people reviewing images before
sharing them will see a reminder in the picture, but it's not likely to be
useful for people who livestream a minute of your dance.
>> >
>> > -- Alan
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Karey Bacon via Organizers <
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>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 6:16 PM
>> > To: organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
>> > Subject: [Organizers] photography policy?
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> > We in Philadelphia are using our Covid time to try to get some
policies done.
>> >
>> > One thing that has come up is a photography/video policy. Some
dancers do not want to appear in any photos or videos.
>> >
>> > Some ideas we tossed about that have practical drawbacks:
>> > -designate one line as always non-photo/video
>> > -buttons or badges for those who do not want to be on camera
>> >
>> > Is this something your dance has grappled with? Anything you've
come up with that you're willing to share?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> >
>> > Karey Bacon
>> > she/her/hers
>> > 267-437-5641
>> >
>> >
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