Emily,

Ross's Reel #4 seems a good change tune for Hull's Victory to me, and Cracking Chestnuts (David Smuckler and David Millstone's excellent book) agrees - they specifically mention that the melody emphasizes balances in the same part of the dance as Hull's Victory.

The book in question is available from CDSS, and is a great resource!

https://www.cdss.org/vm-store/books/cracking-chestnuts-detail

Cheers,

Tim Ball

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:54:03 -0500
From: Emily Addison <emilyladdison@gmail.com>
To: Erik Hoffman <erik@erikhoffman.com>
Cc: Emily Addison <emilyladdison@gmail.com>,
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Wonderful Erik!
I'll dig up Saddle the Pony.
As well as us doing lots of modern things, we'd like to work up 5-6
Chestnuts and play them within the tradition. :) :)
Emily

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Erik Hoffman <erik@erikhoffman.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> It is traditional to play the tune. In the old days it would have been
> just the tune. When medlies became normal, the modern standard is:
> Signature Tune, Other Tune, last two or three times: Signature Tune again.
>
>
>
> Saddle the Pony has been used by a number of bands, since it was used as
> an alternate tune on the New England Chestnuts LP.
>
>
>
> BTW: I?m glad you?re doing this. I always find it funny when callers say,
> ?as in Rory O?More,? and when I look around I find 99 percent of the people
> have no idea what Rory O?More is?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~Erik
>
>
>
> *From:* Musicians [mailto:musicians-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Emily Addison via Musicians
> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:49 AM
> *To:* musicians@sharedweight.net
> *Subject:* [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation online
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A question for you about general etiquette on posting recently composed
> tunes (as in last 20-30yrs).
>
>
>
> I've seen MANY MANY recently composed tunes online through websites like
> The Session but also contra websites too.  Often these are posted by
> someone other than the composer and it's not listed as to whether they have
> permission to post.
>
>
>
> Here in Ottawa, our community band (we're not pros and play almost all our
> gigs for free.), we're working on learning a varied contra music repertoire
> for dancing.  In fact, our community band is called 'Stolen Goods' as we're
> about learning from others.
>
>
>
> I've been thinking that it would be nice to post our sets online as part
> of the wider sharing so that others can benefit... just like we've
> benefited from looking at what others (like SPUDS) have posted.
>
>
>
> What's the etiquette here?
>
>
>
> For instance, we play a handful of Keith Murphy tunes and he's got books.
> And we have Larry Unger and others too...
>
>
>
> If we post a few is that ok?  Seems that's what others do, especially in
> irish and quebecois traditions but I'm just not sure as some of the contra
> musicians have tune books.  Could refer to a few tune books.
>
>
>
> Also, we've written out a few sets from other bands (e.g., one from Wild
> Asparagus) as we're trying to learn from their groove/chord lines etc. and
> we are just a local learning band that plays for 20 dancers.   If we only
> have 1-2 from a particular band, are those ok to post?
>
>
>
> Looking for your thoughts!
>
>
>
> By no means do I need to post of course... ... .just interested in giving
> back to the wider community what we've been learning over the last number
> of years.
>
>
>
> With thanks :)
>
> Emily Addison in Ottawa
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:59:15 -0400
From: Jeff Kaufman <jeff@alum.swarthmore.edu>
To: Emily Addison <emilyladdison@gmail.com>
Cc: Sarah Gowan <ladysmyth@rcn.com>, musicians@sharedweight.net
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For the BIDA open band tune list [1] I've just put up copies of the
tunes on the list.  If someone were unhappy to have their tune out
there I'd definitely take it down.  These are all very widely played
tunes so I doubt anyone minds.

In general, I think even if an author has a very economics focused
view of tune distribution and is trying to maximize profits they
should still be fine with people playing their tunes at dances and
passing around the notation: the more people play a tune and build up
arrangements the more people put it on their CDs and the more composer
royalties you get.

Jeff

[1] https://www.bidadance.org/open-band-tune-list though we're in the
process of updating it

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Emily Addison via Musicians
<musicians@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> This is VERY helpful information and sounds like a great way to proceed!
> BTW - SPUDS is one of my very favourite places to go look for new material
> for our community band... we love experimenting and reaching ever further
> and without the internet (and my buying MANY MANY MANY tune books), it would
> be hard to do that as we're relatively isolated up here in Ottawa.
>
> Thanks :)
> Emily
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Sarah Gowan <ladysmyth@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Emily-
>>
>> I?m the curator of the SPUDS online tune library - I?m so happy to hear
>> other groups find our site useful! It?s my policy to ask composers (if
>> known) if we have permission to post their tunes. Some, like Bob McQuillen,
>> gave us free reign to arrange them how we wish and freely post any of their
>> tunes. Others prefer only certain tunes or ask that we include contact and
>> licensing information. Beware that trad tunes aren?t necessarily exempt.
>> Some people are very proprietary about their arrangements. I removed a
>> version of a traditional tune from one of my sites because a musician
>> recognized his arrangement and wanted credit. I didn?t get it from his book,
>> but also didn?t want the hassle, so it was easier to simply take it down and
>> use a different version.
>>
>> If there are a hundred versions of a tune online already, I generally
>> don?t get too anxious about reposting. If there are none or maybe one, I
>> definitely ask. You can?t assume that because one site has posted them, that
>> it?s ok for you to do the same. Some groups, like Princeton, avoid copyright
>> problems by password-protecting access to their files so only group members
>> can use them. They still ask composers if it?s ok to post, though.
>>
>> From the composer side - I?ve had people post some of my compositions and
>> the only time I get annoyed is when they don?t include my name or try to
>> sell them. (Yes that really happened). But I make most of my tunes freely
>> available online anyway and I?m not trying to make a living as a musician.
>>
>> Hope this is helpful,
>>
>> Sarah
>> https://www.thursdaycontra.com/~spuds/TuneLinks.html
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Emily Addison via Musicians
>> <musicians@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A question for you about general etiquette on posting recently composed
>> tunes (as in last 20-30yrs).
>>
>> I've seen MANY MANY recently composed tunes online through websites like
>> The Session but also contra websites too.  Often these are posted by someone
>> other than the composer and it's not listed as to whether they have
>> permission to post.
>>
>> Here in Ottawa, our community band (we're not pros and play almost all our
>> gigs for free.), we're working on learning a varied contra music repertoire
>> for dancing.  In fact, our community band is called 'Stolen Goods' as we're
>> about learning from others.
>>
>> I've been thinking that it would be nice to post our sets online as part
>> of the wider sharing so that others can benefit... just like we've benefited
>> from looking at what others (like SPUDS) have posted.
>>
>> What's the etiquette here?
>>
>> For instance, we play a handful of Keith Murphy tunes and he's got books.
>> And we have Larry Unger and others too...
>>
>> If we post a few is that ok?  Seems that's what others do, especially in
>> irish and quebecois traditions but I'm just not sure as some of the contra
>> musicians have tune books.  Could refer to a few tune books.
>>
>> Also, we've written out a few sets from other bands (e.g., one from Wild
>> Asparagus) as we're trying to learn from their groove/chord lines etc. and
>> we are just a local learning band that plays for 20 dancers.   If we only
>> have 1-2 from a particular band, are those ok to post?
>>
>> Looking for your thoughts!
>>
>> By no means do I need to post of course... ... .just interested in giving
>> back to the wider community what we've been learning over the last number of
>> years.
>>
>> With thanks :)
>> Emily Addison in Ottawa
>>
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:09:57 -0500
From: Emily Addison <emilyladdison@gmail.com>
To: musicians@sharedweight.net
Subject: [Musicians] Another Chestnut tune question
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Hi All,

One more question from me!  This one about another Chestnut Dance... Hull's
Victory.

The first tune we plan to do is Hull's Victory which makes sense. :) :)

However I'd like to do another tune after and Ross's Reel #4 sounds really
good.  ... ... my concern is I think this has been associated with another
chestnut dance??? ???
Thoughts?

And any tunes you traditionally associate with Hull's Victory (the dance)?

Thanks!
Emily
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