18 Oct
2015
18 Oct
'15
9:57 p.m.
Blues for Contras:
There are several contras made up for the blues. Fred Park made up one
of them, and I've made up three-for various occasions. I don't know that
I'd recommend them for a beginner dance, but they're posted below.
Understanding the structure of the blues, and how it fits into the
normal structure of contra music is important. Richard, below, is
incorrect in saying "24 beats," because we think of bars as being
2-beats each, and the blues uses bars that are 4-beats each. Thus,
talking beats:
32 2-beat bars = 64 beats, divided into four 16-beat sections (AABB)
12 4-beat bars = 48 beats, which can be divided into three 16-beat
sections
Using The Walking Blues (Paul Butterfield --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9dkse6R3Tg) and Roman numerals for
chords (ask a musician) as our basic 12-bar blues, your common blues
follows this structure or variants thereof:
A:
|I |I |I |I |
Woke up this moring, I, looked around for my shoes
B:
|VI |VI |I |I |
Woke up this morning, I, looked around for my shoes
C:
|V |VI |I |V |
Girl I had those, Whoa, mean old Walkin' Blues
OK, in this tune they don't play that V chord in the last measure,
except in the instrumental part, but it's common.
One thing you need to watch out for is tempo. The Walkin' Blues is good.
This is on the slow side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93PBlwBp8s
The first tune in this video of the fablulous Elmore James is a great
speed, and has the basic "Blues Shuffle" backup (which is similar to a jig)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BgRO81Y5fU
The first tune of this great Muddy Waters video,/Rock Me Baby/, is a bit
slow, but could be speeded up a bit easily. The second tune Hoochie
Cootchie Man (3:13) is too slow. The third tune, /Trouble No More/
(6:04), is too fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40-oo1S2WEw
Remember, at a barn dance, many of the dances we do, like the Virginia
Reel, or Strip the Willow, or other sort of "unphrased" dances don't
need the strict 32-bar structure.
Those Blues Contras:
Blues Too
Improper—Blues
Erik Hoffman
A Circle Left 1/2, Balance the Ring; Swing Neighbor
B Women Do Si Do 1-1/2; Swing Partner
C Circle Left ¾; Balance the Ring, CA Twirl
Swinging Into Marriage
Becket—Blues
Erik Hoffman
A Men Allemande Left 1/2 to a wave (4) Balance (4); Swing Neighbor (8)
B on Right diagonal: Women Allemande Right 1/2 (to a wave with Shadow
on the diagonal (4), Balance (4); Those same four Half Hey, Shadow
start Left shoulder
C Partner Balance & Swing
Christmas Blues
Becket (right progressing)
A Petronella Balance, Neighbor Swing
B Men Allemande Left 1-1/2; Partner Swing
C Long Lines Forward & Back; Partner Promenade 1/2, with a big loop
to next couple
>>>
Around 25 years ago we started doing
a Christmas Night dance in Santa
Barbara. Maybe 20 years ago Bayou Seco started playing for it, and we've
been doing it for a long time! I love singing Elvis Presley's /Santa
Claus is Back in Town/, so we've been doing a blues dance and using that
song for about as long. Thus, we vary it a bit:/Fred Park's Ministry of
Truth/, my /Blues Too/, and now /Christmas Blues/.
And finally:
What does it say on the blue's player's tombstone?
-- "I didn't wake up this morning..."
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 10/18/2015 3:13 PM, Richard via Callers wrote:
The structure of a classic blues song is 12 bars long
(24 beats). Modern blues bands do play a lot of tunes that are not in this structure. In
any case it might be interesting to think about contras that are or could be made to be 48
or 72 beats long, rather than 64.
R
Richard Hopkins
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Just curious. Robert doesn't recall writing (or calling) a dance called Saint Louis
Cruise. Perhaps it was created by someone else.
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Just curious. Robert doesn't recall writing (or calling) a dance called Saint Louis
Cruise. Perhaps it was created by someone else.
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It's a good time to call dances that might need extra space along the line - for
example, there are some dances with a ladies chain up and down as opposed to across the
set such as Saint Louis Cruise by Robert Cromartie.
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I believe it was written by Roger Diggle?.
Linda
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Just curious. Robert doesn't recall writing (or calling) a dance called Saint Louis
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I?ve been asked to call a one hour set in a rural heritage hall for a party for about 130
folks. There will be two sets at the end of the evening with a Blues Band. Yep, its a bit
odd, but the organizer wants to bring all his various friends together and thought,
rightly, that having someone organize some dancing would help that along. Has anyone ever
called a community dance (circle mixers, scatter sets, longways, maybe a square) to a
blues band? The band seems willing to work with me. Any suggestions about what to say to
them so that I could call La Bastringue or Galopede, for example, and it would work?
Any suggestions for youtube links for a caller calling to something other than the usual
trad tune? I could bring in a fiddler and ask the band to back the fiddler up. Any advice
on doing it that way?
Is this so ridiculous that you?re all doubled over laughing? People will be there not
because they are blues lovers so much as their buddy is throwing a party.
In any case, I?d be grateful for advice
Leslie Gotfrit
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With the right cooperation from the band it could work out just fine. I've called
contras to all sorts of music, including Romanian folksongs. But, you do need to talk
with them about the fact that every tune needs to be 32 bars and of uniform tempo. (And
the tempo should be an appropriate one.) The AABB structure that we are used to is nice,
but you can probably cope with ABCD if that is what they will play. It will help if you
can get a recording of them playing, so you can get used to timing your calls.
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example, there are some dances with a ladies chain up and down as opposed to across the
set such as Saint Louis Cruise by Robert Cromartie.
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I?ve been asked to call a one hour set in a rural heritage hall for a party for about 130
folks. There will be two sets at the end of the evening with a Blues Band. Yep, its a bit
odd, but the organizer wants to bring all his various friends together and thought,
rightly, that having someone organize some dancing would help that along. Has anyone ever
called a community dance (circle mixers, scatter sets, longways, maybe a square) to a
blues band? The band seems willing to work with me. Any suggestions about what to say to
them so that I could call La Bastringue or Galopede, for example, and it would work?
Any suggestions for youtube links for a caller calling to something other than the usual
trad tune? I could bring in a fiddler and ask the band to back the fiddler up. Any advice
on doing it that way?
Is this so ridiculous that you?re all doubled over laughing? People will be there not
because they are blues lovers so much as their buddy is throwing a party.
In any case, I?d be grateful for advice
Leslie Gotfrit
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On 2015-10-17 2002, Leslie Gotfrit via Callers wrote:
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In any case, I?d be grateful for advice
Leslie Gotfrit
Try it. Maybe. <grin>
I worked a Contra series dance with my first (advertised as such) old
time band tonight. The No Jigs thing initially felt a bit unsettling,
however the musicianship and music was great. No medleys, which I'm fine
with, and a bit of joint effort looking for variety had it work out
well. I'd mentioned all the basic parameters and communications points
prior to the event and tonight we went over them before the intro
session this series hosts.
This past summer I worked with my first Bluegrass band. I'd been
concerned a bit with that as well. A "Contra", really a barn dance/ONS
on "grass" (beaten down by the sheep for a few years), worked out well.
I covered off the points John Rogers made about tempo, length with both
of them. Also starts and endings, who to talk to about what, how to
speed up/slow down (if possible.) All the usual things.
A few weeks ago I attended a free, intro night of MWSD. The point I took
away from that was that someone could really use any music if it met the
basic criteria. There were Beatles tunes/songs, pop "standards" and
such. Not much in the way of tune as many of us might generally expect
or appreciate.
A number of callers I've experienced have offered the old saw that a
dancers need for rhythm might just as easily be met by a drum stick
attached to a car wiper as a band.
If the band is not an established one, or don't have a recording, some
practises/time with several of them playing prior to the event might
prove useful. It might also be a chance to introduce some of the key points.
A friend was working with a "Celtic" band a winter ago and had to work
mostly on -- endurance, even tempo, how to start and end. Doing so
seemed to suck up quite a bit of energy and take several sessions.
So, it appears it is also good to know when to bail on an idea in some
fashion if it appears bleak. For any of these one may require more lead
time/contact time that might be expected.
Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC
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