Hi everyone again,
Angela, Jeff thank you. 
I appreciate knowing the emotional attachment many had to the history of these calling terms. I had no clue. From where I was coming from, it was more of a logistical question for my calling aspirations, trying to figure out what is easiest for the dancers to understand. I have had personal experience with it being difficult to remember if I was a Band or Bare, it seems arbitrary and now I see that this is intentional. It is good to hear some of the rationale and what others have experienced. 

Best,
Cara

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On Jan 18, 2017, at 18:59, Jeff Kaufman <jeff.t.kaufman@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Cara!

There is definitely a history! Many dancers don't like lead/follow as terms because they either don't think contra has a lead/follow dynamic or they don't want to encourage lead/follow dancing.

Some dance series, primarily ones with younger dancers, do use those terms, but there are enough dancers opposed to them that I don't see them as a potential community-wide replacement the way rubies/jets could be.

Jeff

On Jan 18, 2017 7:53 PM, "Cara Sawyer via Callers" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hello all,
I am quite new to the list and am only now embarking on learning to call, but I have to ask a question I have had for awhile as a dancer that I now need to understand as a caller: is there something wrong with Lead and Follow? 

When I first encountered the creative alternatives in contra, I wasn't sure what to think. I came to contra from a swing background and that is what is used in workshops (and sort or in general now), since many people switch in that dance style as well. 

Besides being an obvious description for the dancer role, it had the same 1/2 syllables rhythm as Gent/Lady. And it seems to me to have the advantage of being intuitively linked to how the dancer is thinking about his/her/their role. 

Just curious if there is a history, I'm sure I am not the first person to think of this. 

Thanks!
Cara

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On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:40, Angela DeCarlis via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

When I called at PICD (the Portland ME dance), I really enjoyed using Jets and Rubies. One silly thing I enjoyed any the terms during the beginners' lesson was coaching palm direction based on the terms: "Jets' palms face up, towards the sky; Rubies' palms face down, towards the ground."

And yes, I realize that *both* are gemstones and that some feel strongly that we should steer away from the "airplane" association, but it did make for easy teaching. 

Jets and Rubies is also more forgiving for callers new to gender-neutral language, since the terms are so linguistically comparable to Gents and Ladies. 

That all said, I also like Larks and Ravens fine. 

Happy calling, everyone! 

Angela

On Jan 18, 2017 11:30 AM, "Aahz via Callers" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Not that Portland, the other Portland.  ;-)

http://bangordailynews.com/2017/01/09/news/portland/contra-dancing-takes-a-gender-neutral-spin-in-portland/

I personally would prefer to settle on "larks" and "ravens" because that
seems to have more traction -- but it doesn't matter as long as we get
away from "bands" and "bares".
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