My understanding is that Lynn adapted Ron Beeson's dance, Apple Pie Quadrille, by changing B2 into a can't-fail circle progression from a "Devil's Backbone" progression.
I'm going to guess that Nils called it at a dance and somebody misattributed the dance to him and got the name wrong.
Here's the notation Ridge Kennedy posted for Apple Pie Quadrille on the trad-dance-callers list:
APPLE PIE QUADRILLE
Ron Beeson (via Ridge Kennedy)
Four Facing Four
Called by Kathy Anderson at Buffalo gap 2002
Ask for lively music that's a bit silly to suit the dance.
A-1 Lines of Four, Forward and Back
(Reminder - this is original direction!) (8)
Center Four (dancers in the middle of each line of four):
Star Right Once Around (8)
A-2 Partners Allemande Left Once and a Half (8)
Ends (Original ends of each line of four, now Center Four)
Star Right Once Around (8)
B-1 Partners balance and swing (16)
B-2 "End Man" (Man on left end of line):Lead back over left shoulder to
invert line. Lead around the *other* end of the other line and all
face original direction and a new line of four. (16)
Notes: Tricky Part: Leading the line back and around is counter-intuitive.
End man starts turning in opposite direction that his line is progressing.
Original dance:
A-1 Lines forward and back (8) All do sa do opposite dancer (8)
A-2 Centre four star right (8) All allemande left with partner x 3/2 (8)
B-1 New centre four star right (8) All swing partners (8)
B-2 Circle left all eight once round (16)
C-1 The left hand man casts left taking his line around the other line
to face the next line (16)
-- Alan
On 5/29/2019 5:36 PM, Liz Burkhart via Callers wrote:
I have found two identical dances. First I collected Coconut Cream Puff by Nils Fredland, then I lost the card, and in the process of looking for it online, discovered Coconut Cream Pie by Lynn Ackerson. It is the same dance:
4 Facing 4
A1 Lines of 4 go forward and back
middles star R once
A2 Partner allemande L 1 1/2
new middles star R once
B1 Partner balance & swing
B2 All 8 circle L 1/2 (4 places)
Balance ring, partner California twirl
So who really wrote it? Does anyone know why there are two names and two choreographers attributed?
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Hi, Liz,
I have that choreography as "Coconut Cream Pie" by Lynn Ackerson. I
collected it that way from Nils Fredland a few years ago.
Dugan Murphy
(he/him)
Portland, Maine
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:36:43 -0400
> > From: Liz Burkhart <burkhart.liz(a)gmail.com>
> > To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> > Subject: [Callers] Coconut Cream Puff vs Pie + choreographer?
> >
> > I have found two identical dances. First I collected Coconut Cream Puff
> by
> > Nils Fredland, then I lost the card, and in the process of looking for it
> > online, discovered Coconut Cream Pie by Lynn Ackerson. It is the same
> > dance:
> >
> > 4 Facing 4
> > A1 Lines of 4 go forward and back
> > middles star R once
> > A2 Partner allemande L 1 1/2
> > new middles star R once
> > B1 Partner balance & swing
> > B2 All 8 circle L 1/2 (4 places)
> > Balance ring, partner California twirl
> >
> >
> > So who really wrote it? Does anyone know why there are two names and two
> > choreographers attributed?
>
Angela, I clicked on the link and it took me to the Diversions Leveret album in Spotify but didn’t identify a specific tune. What is the name of the tune?
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 06:08, Angela DeCarlis via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> PS, here's the tune! A bit below contra tempo in the recording, but still oh so good.
>
> https://open.spotify.com/track/0DS00P9yV0T9BGjBj0sBWI?si=3XW4rAcKTX657rphlN… <https://open.spotify.com/track/0DS00P9yV0T9BGjBj0sBWI?si=3XW4rAcKTX657rphlN…>
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 9:07 AM Angela DeCarlis <aedecarlis(a)gmail.com <mailto:aedecarlis@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> In a scene with which I'm sure many of you are familiar, I woke up in the middle of the night with a tune stuck in my head, and I couldn't fall asleep until I'd written a dance to go with it.
>
> Let me know if someone's beat me to it:
>
> Molly Apple Pye, Becket
>
> A1: Balance Ring, Petronella
> Balance Ring, Pass through up and down
> A2: New Neighbor Balance and Swing
> B1: Gents start 3/4 Hey across (GL PR LL NR GL PR),
> Ladies Ricochet*
> B2: Partner Swing
>
> I realize the partner swing in this version is longer than standard, but figure since the timing can run long for a full hey with ricochet and since the next move is a ring balance, I don't mind giving the dancers the extra time to get their affairs in order. ;)
>
> *But maybe the timing works better if the Ladies dance a left-shoulder-round instead, to take up a bit more music? I need to play-test! In that case, the B's would be,
>
> B1: Gents start 3/4 Hey across (GL PR LL NR GL PR),
> Ladies Left Shoulder Round
> B2: Partner Right Shoulder Round and Swing
>
> Thanks!
> Angela
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PS, here's the tune! A bit below contra tempo in the recording, but still
oh so good.
https://open.spotify.com/track/0DS00P9yV0T9BGjBj0sBWI?si=3XW4rAcKTX657rphlN…
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 9:07 AM Angela DeCarlis <aedecarlis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> In a scene with which I'm sure many of you are familiar, I woke up in the
> middle of the night with a tune stuck in my head, and I couldn't fall
> asleep until I'd written a dance to go with it.
>
> Let me know if someone's beat me to it:
>
> Molly Apple Pye, Becket
>
> A1: Balance Ring, Petronella
> Balance Ring, Pass through up and down
> A2: New Neighbor Balance and Swing
> B1: Gents start 3/4 Hey across (GL PR LL NR GL PR),
> Ladies Ricochet*
> B2: Partner Swing
>
> I realize the partner swing in this version is longer than standard, but
> figure since the timing can run long for a full hey with ricochet and since
> the next move is a ring balance, I don't mind giving the dancers the extra
> time to get their affairs in order. ;)
>
> *But maybe the timing works better if the Ladies dance a
> left-shoulder-round instead, to take up a bit more music? I need to
> play-test! In that case, the B's would be,
>
> B1: Gents start 3/4 Hey across (GL PR LL NR GL PR),
> Ladies Left Shoulder Round
> B2: Partner Right Shoulder Round and Swing
>
> Thanks!
> Angela
>
Hello all!
In a scene with which I'm sure many of you are familiar, I woke up in the
middle of the night with a tune stuck in my head, and I couldn't fall
asleep until I'd written a dance to go with it.
Let me know if someone's beat me to it:
Molly Apple Pye, Becket
A1: Balance Ring, Petronella
Balance Ring, Pass through up and down
A2: New Neighbor Balance and Swing
B1: Gents start 3/4 Hey across (GL PR LL NR GL PR),
Ladies Ricochet*
B2: Partner Swing
I realize the partner swing in this version is longer than standard, but
figure since the timing can run long for a full hey with ricochet and since
the next move is a ring balance, I don't mind giving the dancers the extra
time to get their affairs in order. ;)
*But maybe the timing works better if the Ladies dance a
left-shoulder-round instead, to take up a bit more music? I need to
play-test! In that case, the B's would be,
B1: Gents start 3/4 Hey across (GL PR LL NR GL PR),
Ladies Left Shoulder Round
B2: Partner Right Shoulder Round and Swing
Thanks!
Angela
