Could hand technique be contributing to square thrus taking more than
two beats per exchange? One of my long-past English dance instructors
taught pull-by hands as almost a quick handshake-and-release, where
you're no longer in contact by the time you're shoulder-to-shoulder. If
the dancers maintain contact for longer than that, one of them is almost
certainly going to have less than a 1/4 turn after the exchange, while
the other will have more than a 1/4 turn. I've observed this phenomena
even in 16-beat square thrus with balances preceding the first and third
exchanges.
--Nick
[Stuff below Rich's response snipped]
On 09/08/2018 09:34 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers wrote:
> The Callerlab timing chart has square thru taking 10 beats from a
> static square and 8 beats from (closer( facing couples such as they
> would be after the heads star thru.
>
> In the following square I would allow 10 beats.
>
> Heads Lead Right & Circle to a Line,
> Lines F&B
> 2 ladies Chain Across and Back
> Has Square Thru 4 (This square thru is from a line of four that is at
> the sides static position.
> Corner Swg & Promenade
>
> In the square, below, I would use 8 beats for the second square thru.
>
> Heads Sq Thru 4 (10)
> RH Star (8), LH Star (8)
> Corner DSD (6), Sq Thru 4 (8)
> Can Swg (8), Promenade (16)
>
> In this square the dancers start the second square thru nose to nose
> rather than across the set.
>
> Most contra would be starting a square thru from across the set, so 10
> is a good number, if it starts after a balance, 8 would be wiser.
>
> Rich
>
It really doesn’t make much difference in this case since the domino will take 8 beats if there’s 8 beats left. I was just curious about 10 for the square through - in English dancing we do have eight beat circular heys (like “Collier’s Daughter”) but the convention is usually not to take hands on those fast ones, so it’s more like a mini weave the ring. On the other hand contras have a lot of interrupted square through where there’s a four-beat balance and a four-beat square through 2, so it can be done.
— Alan
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Rich Sbardella <richsbardella(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Callerlab timing chart has square thru taking 10 beats from a static square and 8 beats from (closer( facing couples such as they would be after the heads star thru.
>
> In the following square I would allow 10 beats.
>
> Heads Lead Right & Circle to a Line,
> Lines F&B
> 2 ladies Chain Across and Back
> Has Square Thru 4 (This square thru is from a line of four that is at the sides static position.
> Corner Swg & Promenade
>
> In the square, below, I would use 8 beats for the second square thru.
>
> Heads Sq Thru 4 (10)
> RH Star (8), LH Star (8)
> Corner DSD (6), Sq Thru 4 (8)
> Can Swg (8), Promenade (16)
>
> In this square the dancers start the second square thru nose to nose rather than across the set.
>
> Most contra would be starting a square thru from across the set, so 10 is a good number, if it starts after a balance, 8 would be wiser.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tom Hinds via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> I’ve mulled over the timing of square through 4 for some time. 10 is what I’ve come up with after walking it through in my living room and more importantly watching the dancers do it in dances I’ve written.
>>
>> Much depends on where you end and start and also on formation (squared set or contra) because of the spacing.
>>
>> As an example, in The Amazing Sara Wilcox the square through three from lines facing across into lines facing out comfortably takes 8 steps. In other situations maybe square through 3 could be done in 6.
>>
>> Some may say that square through two (followed by a balance) takes 4, so a square through 4 would take 8. My way of thinking is that the longer and more complicated the figure, the more you have to give the dancers some extra beats. And square through 2 in 4 beats is a bit rushed.
>>
>> Try it out during a break at your next dance and let me know what you come up with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Sep 8, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > Tom —
>> >
>> > Why is the square through 4 10 beats?
>> >
>> > — Alan
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >> On Sep 8, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Tom Hinds via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jean, nice dance. Let us know how it goes if you try it out. I would be surprised if your dance has been written before. You list it as a double progression. Is that because you swing the second neighbor?
>> >>
>> >> You gave me an idea for a new dance. I’m not trying to out do any one here, just very much enjoy writing dances.
>> >>
>> >> Lunch with Jean
>> >> Improper
>> >>
>> >> A1. Bal. P, square through 2
>> >> Bal P, box the gnat
>> >>
>> >> A2. With new neighbors, square through 4 (going in the opposite direction as the first square through and starting by giving right hand to partner, 10 beats)
>> >> With original neighbor do si do, (6)
>> >>
>> >> B1 Men allemande left 1/2 (or pull by) swing partner
>> >>
>> >> B2 Right and left through, ladies chain.
>> >>
>> >> Tom Hinds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Jean Gibson-Gorrindo via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello Callers! Around the breakfast table at Penelope Weinberger’s house this morning, while on tour with Cloud Ten, I came up with this dance. Wrote it with the Sam Bartlett tune Penelope’s Cruise (also written for Penelope Weinberger) in mind. Wondering if it is already out there? Thanks for your input!
>> >>>
>> >>> Jean Gorrindo
>> >>>
>> >>> Breakfast at Penelope’s
>> >>> by Jean Gorrindo
>> >>> Contra/Improper/Easy-Int/Double Progression
>> >>>
>> >>> A1 -----------
>> >>> (8) Partner R-Hand Balance; Square Thru (pull by Partner with Right, Neighbor Left)
>> >>> (8) Partner Balance & Box the Gnat
>> >>> A2 -----------
>> >>> (16) Neighbor balance and swing
>> >>> B1 -----------
>> >>> (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2
>> >>> (8) Partner swing
>> >>> B2 -----------
>> >>> (8) Long lines, forward and back
>> >>> (8) Women's Chain
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Morning,
Please see attached and confirm.
Amy Carroll
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206-330-7408
http://www.calleramy.com/https://youtu.be/mTd_iyi3IcI
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:59:20 -0400
From: Luke Donforth
To: kanara(a)triton.net
Cc: "Callers(a)Lists.Sharedweight.net"
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Well, there's what the kids go for: "All You Can Eat"; possibly of
something tasty for the season, like "Apples and Chocolate".
If you're not on the food part, there's "Black Cat Mixer", "Dancing In My
Bones", or "Witches Star".
Having danced at themed dancing where the theme overran programmatic
considerations; I'd say a holiday theme can be well used like a spice: just
a little to keep it interesting.
But if one of these fits you program, enjoy.
All You Can Eat
by Ted Crane
Contra/Improper/Easy
A1 -----------
(8) Gypsy Neighbor R 1x
(8) Women allemande Left 1-1/2
A2 -----------
(16) Partner gypsy R and swing
B1 -----------
(8) Circle Left 3/4
(8) Neighbor swing
B2 -----------
(8) Left hand Star 1x
(8) SAME Neighbor Gypsy Left 1x
Apples and Chocolate
by Sue Rosen
Contra/Improper
A1 -----------
(8) Balance and slide to the right (as in Rory O?More)
(8) Balance and slide to the left (as in Rory O?More)
A2 -----------
(4) Neighbor allemande Right 1/2
(4) Men allemande Left 1/2
(8) Partner swing
B1 -----------
(8) Circle Left 1X
(8) Women's Chain to neighbor
B2 -----------
(8) 1/2 Hey, women passing right shoulders
(8) New Neighbor Do-si-do to a wave of 4 (N R, W L)
Black Cat Mixer
by Martha Wild
Circle Mixer/Improper
A1 -----------
(8) All forward and back
(8) All forward and back
A2 -----------
(8) Circle Left
(8) Single file Prom Back to Right
Women tap Man in front of them on shoulder, who turns (new P)
B1 -----------
(8) Partner Do-si-do
(8) Partner swing
B2 -----------
(16) Promenade in line of direction, form a circle
Witch?s Star
by Linda Leslie
Contra/Improper
A1 -----------
(8) Right Hands across star
(8) Left Hands across star back, gents drop out
A2 -----------
(8) Women allemande Left 1-1/2
(8) Partner swing
B1 -----------
(8) Long lines, forward and back
(8) Women's Chain across
B2 -----------
(16) Hey, women passing right shoulders
On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 3:33 PM Karin Neils via Callers wrote:
> Witches' Cauldron by Kirsten Koths is a favorite of mine - Becket Sicilian
> Mixer - easy moves for the inclusion of beginners, and a very unusual
> progression (see Notes at
>
> ) to keep the
> experienced dancers entertained. I do *not* recommend it if you have more
> than 20% beginners on the floor.The tune *OLD GREY CAT*?s a VERY GOOD
> MATCH in rhythm and mood. I've had fun introducing it with a witchy
> chant:
>
> *Double, double, toil and trouble; fire burn, and cauldron bubble!*
>
> *Come and stir my pot with me. Bring a partner; come and see!*
>
> When we dance *Witches? Cauldron*, we?ll be stirring the pot this way and
> that; things will bubble up; there?ll be eddies and lumps.
> Karin
>
>
>
>
> On 8/19/2018 1:22 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
>
> The ones that come to mind are:
> - Wizard's Walk
> - The Zombies of Sugar Hill
>
> Happy calling!
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:12 AM barbara153--- via Callers callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I will be calling a dance on Halloween and would like to know if anyone
>> can share some Halloween themed dances with choreography if possible.
>>
>> I do have :
>> Halloween Twist
>> Chainsaw
>>
>> Thanks and keep on calling...
>> Barbara G
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Barbara et al:
There's a lot of Halloween postings in the archives. Check this out:
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=halloween&l=callers%40lists.sharedwei…
Donna
Web Site: donnahuntcaller.com
Email: dhuntdancer(a)aol.com
Cell: 215-565-6050
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From: Maia McCormick via Callers
To: barbara153
Cc: Shared Weight Callers' Listserv
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Callers] dances for Halloween
The ones that come to mind are:
- Wizard's Walk
- The Zombies of Sugar Hill
Happy calling!
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:12 AM barbara153--- via Callers wrote:
Hi everyone!
I will be calling a dance on Halloween and would like to know if anyone can share some Halloween themed dances with choreography if possible.
I do have :
Halloween Twist
Chainsaw
Thanks and keep on calling...
Barbara G
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PS - I have posted this on the Shared Weight organizers list and I will
also be posting it on the musician list as well as the ECD and Pourparler
lists as I'm guessing there will likely be interest there as well. Thus, if
you're on more than one list, apologies!
If you can teach pass through to a wave and swing through to a new wave
as "couples start to pass through across; the 2 people who *can* catch
left hands do so and allemande 1/4 while the others continue to the
sideline; neighbors allemande right halfway and the two now in the
middle allemande left halfway and give right hand to partner to form a
wave" you can do Pinball Wizard without gender reference.
Kinematic Vorticity is unusual and requires no role reference
Hope this helps!
-- Alan
On 9/3/18 3:35 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I’m introducing a dance series to larks/ravens next weekend, and to
> ease everyone into it (/in case of emergency), I want some dances
> handy that are non-trivial and interesting (so, not glossary dances,
> but one an intermediate-to-advanced crowd would enjoy) WITHOUT
> role-specific calls—i.e. nothing where you tell the gents to X or the
> ladies to Y. What are your favorites?!
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
>
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Hi folks,
I’m introducing a dance series to larks/ravens next weekend, and to ease
everyone into it (/in case of emergency), I want some dances handy that are
non-trivial and interesting (so, not glossary dances, but one an
intermediate-to-advanced crowd would enjoy) WITHOUT role-specific
calls—i.e. nothing where you tell the gents to X or the ladies to Y. What
are your favorites?!
Cheers,
Maia
