Import1 April 2018

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by Alexandra Deis-Lauby

Does anyone call Chris Weiler’s baridhara? What kind of music do you ask for? And tempo? Here’s the dance. Thanks! Baridhara Improper Chris Weiler A1 Star Right; Neighbor Gypsy A2 Circle Single File Left Half (still looking at Neighbor Women lead) (4) Neighbor Gypsy (some more) (4); Neighbor Swing B1 Give & Take: Women pull Partner back B2 Women Chain; Star Left Sent from my iPhone

6 years, 12 months

Re: [Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

by Cheryl Joyal

Ordered this one and a couple others suggested from CDSS store and have been inspired by other response to start checking my regular CD collection for longer tune sets ! Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Rich Sbardella <richsbardella(a)gmail.com> wrote: New England Dance Masters is always a good resource for dance music. Here is one of theirs. http://dancingmasters.com/product/any-jig-or-reel-cd/ <http://dancingmasters.com/product/any-jig-or-reel-cd/> Rich On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 1:38 AM, Laur via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: Yes great Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> On Saturday, April 7, 2018, 1:36 AM, Karen Fontana <karen_fontana(a)yahoo.com <mailto:karen_fontana@yahoo.com>> wrote: From the West: KGB (Seattle) "Volga Notions" -- " the music on this album is formatted for dancing or calling practice. Three tracks are waltzes, two are jig medleys, five are reel medleys, and one is a jig-to-reel medley." Has the four potatoes.. http://www.kgbmole.com/kgb/volga.html <http://www.kgbmole.com/kgb/volga.html> On Friday, April 6, 2018, 8:44:00 PM PDT, Laur via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: Cheryl, It’s a great CD!!!! DO IT. I am also looking for tunes that have some intro beats to use. I did find some thanks to friends that had collections. Laurie Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> On Friday, April 6, 2018, 10:53 PM, Mac Mckeever via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: We have one from 1998 dance weekend - tracks are 9 to 12 min long. They are strictly old-time bands and a little faster than some are used to Might not be what you want - but let me know if you want to try it 'Face the Creek' $12 includes shipping Mac McKeever St Louis On Friday, April 6, 2018, 7:56:15 PM CDT, Cheryl Joyal via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for my work friends in Greece in May. (Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com <mailto:clmjoyal@gmail.com> clmjoyal(a)aol.com <mailto:clmjoyal@aol.com> <>630-667-3284 <tel:630-667-3284> (cell) _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/> _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/> _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/> _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/>

6 years, 12 months

[Callers] How many beats to a rip/snort?

by K Panton

I've looked in the usual places and came up with only two examples of a dance with a Rip/Snort (Rip 'n' Snort?) but one is inaccessible online. How many beats does it take to dance a rip/snort for two couples? My brain says 4 is too short and 8 is too long. I found one dance that pairs it with a ring balance for a total of 8 beats. I haven't access to "Roll Over Johannes" to see how Becky Hill made use of it. Thanks Ken Panton

7 years

[Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

by Cheryl Joyal

Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for my work friends in Greece in May. (Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell)

7 years

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

by K Panton

Colin, Thanks to Yoyo for setting me straight, it looks like "treat P as N" does work on The Hobbit. I stand corrected. Cheers, Ken Panton Colin Hume via Callers <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=callers@lists.sharedweight.net&q=from…> Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:42:50 -0700 <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=callers@lists.sharedweight.net&q=date…> I'm not sure that dancing with ghosts is the best way to deal with end-effects - I prefer "treat your partner as a neighbour". I have a whole section of notes on End-effects athttps://colinhume.com/dtendeffects.htm Colin Hume

7 years

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

by K Panton

Thanks, Don. My brain hurts too much to reply. :) I think Yoyo nailed it in his reply. Treat P as N seems to do the trick. Ken Don Veino via Callers <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=callers@lists.sharedweight.net&q=from…> Fri, 06 Apr 2018 15:36:07 -0700 <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=callers@lists.sharedweight.net&q=date…> Hi Ken, I've never called this one, but this is my take on the end effects from a quick review (what the heck - the worst that could happen is I'm wrong!). -Don

7 years

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

by K Panton

Thanks, Yoyo. I am causing myself serious brain injury mind-dancing this one. In the end, I agree with you that treating your P as N works in this dance. There remains another issue of locating error-recovery opportunities (and possible caller interventions!) which I will look at (and NOT report back) Ken Yoyo Zhou via Callers Fri, 06 Apr 2018 15:50:03 -0700 On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:52 PM, K Panton via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: In The Hobbit, here are the 3 places you come back in. Let's call the top couple "couple 1", and if someone is waiting out above them, call them "couple 0". 0. as couple 1 (with nobody out), top of A1 The start of the dance - it's a regular improper dance. Couple 1 should come in as usual (gents left, ladies right). 1. as couple 1 (with nobody out), B1: pass through to original neighbor If there's no couple 0, couple 1 goes out in the pull by in A1. We can figure out that couple 1 should come in as usual (gents left, ladies right). 2. as couple 0, A1: pull by to previous neighbor This is the couple that just went out at the top. They have to come back in with gents on the right, ladies on the left! However - this is the key - if they treat their partner as neighbor at the end (box the gnat, pull by), they end up in the correct place. All this is to say that the advice for this dance should be "dance with your partner as neighbor at the end", because it turns out that works for all the situations here.

7 years

[Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

by K Panton

Perpetual Emotion - self titled (awesome contra dance tracks but not trad music. If you want Zen trance dancing, this is the one to get. The phrasing is not always obvious, though, so new dancers won't get as many clues as the music of other bands as to the As & Bs. Ed and John made a great pairing) https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/PerpetualeMotion Only $10 to download! Great deal. The Old Sod Band - Grass Roots (our very talented house band in Ottawa. Great trad tunes/arrangements. Still going strong! Calling with them in 2 weeks.) Typically longer tracks of 6-7 minutes http://www.ottawacontra.ca/oldsodband/ hotpoint String Band - hotpoint Special (different twist on trad) https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/hotpoint3 $10! Giant robot Dance - spontaneous animation (though this seems to be live tracks with the calling muted - longer tracks as a result) https://store.cdbaby.com/Artist/GiantRobotDance Brittany Bay - spirit of the dance (best choice for spirited trad tunes with terrific, varied arrangements) I bought through their website several years ago. Typically, 3 tunes per medley, 3 times through each tune = 4+1/2 minutes per track, generally. http://www.betsybyars.com/guy/BrittanyBay/mus.html KGB - Volga Notions (I'll second this choice but check out their other albums as well. Not "driving" but great to dance to with a variety of moods. Many original tunes or original twists on trad tunes) https://store.cdbaby.com/Search/a2di/0 Elsewhere - find several very danceable tracks on various Lunasa CDs (totally awesome band. but listen through to make sure they don't slip in an extra measure/beat here or there in the tunes you select) e.g. https://www.emusic.com/album/61623544/Lnasa/Lnasa sample: Meitheamh (live recording, driving and danceable right through!) but there are many other tunes. A wonderful band ranging from absolutely "driving" to melodically romantic. Ken Panton

7 years

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

by Yoyo Zhou

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:52 PM, K Panton via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Warning: rabbit hole ahead. > > Colin: I read your text for your workshop. All useful stuff and you do say > more than "treat your partner as a neighbour". > > Re Michael Fuerst's quote, I agree that end-effects are what they are and > they are not (necessarily?) the point of the dance, but they sometimes must > be dealt with head-on. Example: I have tried to make any sense of the end > effects in the dance The Hobbit http://www.quiteapair.us/calli > ng/acdol/dance/acd_283.html . I think it's a great dance - if you can > avoid the ends - but I'll be [darned] if I can make it around the end > successfully. I've tried calling it, walking thru at a callers workshop > with several experienced dancers and none of us could make sense of the > end-effects. We were missing some magical key to understanding (perhaps > guarded by Smaug). "Go where you are needed" wasn't going to work. Nor were > the other rules. Sometimes, it seems, the end-effects must be taught just > as the dance. No easy feat. > In a workshop setting, you probably didn't have as many dancers as a normal contra set and ran into end effects all the time; this can definitely push the experience for the dancers from manageable (where people in the middle can help out the end-effected) to unrecoverable (where everyone is lost), in my experience. Here's what Larry Jennings wrote in Give and Take in the theory section (ML23, End Effects): "In most cases, however, a neutral twosome should position themselves across from each other so that the set will have alternating men and women as the twosome gets reincorporated. If it is not obvious how to plan for this, it is usually sufficient for the twosome to *scramble* to get the disposition of dancers at the end of the set as much like the rest of the set as possible." This is fine advice for 95% of dances, but it can be challenging to figure out on the fly. I recall reading something, possibly from Jim Saxe on this list (and maybe from Larry Jennings?), about how in most dances without out-of-minor-set interactions, you come back into the set (and have no full minor set of 4 dancers) once - after progressing to the end. But in dances like The Hobbit, where you leave the minor set once, you actually come back in to the set 3 times. So the question for us as callers is, how do you succinctly teach how to handle all of these situations? Dancers often can't remember 1 instruction for end effects; 3 is right out. In The Hobbit, here are the 3 places you come back in. Let's call the top couple "couple 1", and if someone is waiting out above them, call them "couple 0". 0. as couple 1 (with nobody out), top of A1 The start of the dance - it's a regular improper dance. Couple 1 should come in as usual (gents left, ladies right). 1. as couple 1 (with nobody out), B1: pass through to original neighbor If there's no couple 0, couple 1 goes out in the pull by in A1. We can figure out that couple 1 should come in as usual (gents left, ladies right). 2. as couple 0, A1: pull by to previous neighbor This is the couple that just went out at the top. They have to come back in with gents on the right, ladies on the left! However - this is the key - if they treat their partner as neighbor at the end (box the gnat, pull by), they end up in the correct place. All this is to say that the advice for this dance should be "dance with your partner as neighbor at the end", because it turns out that works for all the situations here. Yoyo Zhou

7 years

Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

by Don Veino

Hi Ken, I've never called this one, but this is my take on the end effects from a quick review (what the heck - the worst that could happen is I'm wrong!). -Don Notation is "DV1" (my initials, first cycle, assuming full/even sets) and "DV2" (second cycle). If starting with a couple out, flip the cycles at that end. The Hobbitby Melanie Axel-Lute Intermediate ----- Dup imp *A1* (8) Neighbor balance and box the gnat DV1 => Still in same minor set, swapped place with N DV2 => Couples out at end awaiting next move (8) Pull by with right hand to previous neighbor; with that one, allemande left once around DV1 => All have de-progressed one minor set temporarily. If kicked "out" at the end, stay in place... don't do anything at end (or could allemande ghost or partner 1x back to place and then wait there) DV2 => end couples are temporarily back in the dance and participate through the B1 first move. *A2* (8) Women (in new group of four) allemande right once and a half DV1 => Gents are still on their home side, Ladies have crossed set (8) Partner swing DV1 => all on Gent's home side, still de-progressed 1 minor set *B1* (8) Circle left 3/4 and pass through to original neighbor DV1 => All are back at original minor set, nobody "out" now DV2 => "out" couple is once again out, stay in place. (8) Swing original neighbor DV1 => Back to standard improper home side, 1s below 2s (progressed) *B2* (8) Long lines forward and back (8) Lefthand star DV1 => Puts end couple really "out" and they should cross over at this point. DV2 => "out" couple coming back into the dance for real but will be subject to temporary ejection again (stay in place when it happens). On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 5:52 PM, K Panton via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Warning: rabbit hole ahead. > > Colin: I read your text for your workshop. All useful stuff and you do say > more than "treat your partner as a neighbour". > > Re Michael Fuerst's quote, I agree that end-effects are what they are and > they are not (necessarily?) the point of the dance, but they sometimes must > be dealt with head-on. Example: I have tried to make any sense of the end > effects in the dance The Hobbit http://www.quiteapair.us/calli > ng/acdol/dance/acd_283.html . I think it's a great dance - if you can > avoid the ends - but I'll be [darned] if I can make it around the end > successfully. I've tried calling it, walking thru at a callers workshop > with several experienced dancers and none of us could make sense of the > end-effects. We were missing some magical key to understanding (perhaps > guarded by Smaug). "Go where you are needed" wasn't going to work. Nor were > the other rules. Sometimes, it seems, the end-effects must be taught just > as the dance. No easy feat. > > > Colin Hume via Callers > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=callers@lists.sharedweight.net&q=from…> > Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:42:50 -0700 > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=callers@lists.sharedweight.net&q=date…> > > I'm not sure that dancing with ghosts is the best way to deal with end-effects > - I prefer "treat your partner as a neighbour". > > I have a whole section of notes on End-effects at https://colinhume.com/dtendeffects.htm > > Colin Hume > > > > _______________________________________________ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ > >

7 years

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