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Cheryl Joyal via Callers

22 Mar 2017 22 Mar '17

10:32 a.m.

I have a wonderful dance in my box that I enjoy dancing and calling - but do not know who wrote it…. can anyone tell me who wrote it? Also - is this the correct name since another caller said they had a dance called “the Cows are Watching” ? Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ? The Cows go Marching by _________________ A1 (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2 A2 (16) Neighbor balance and swing B1 (8) Balance the ring (8) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set B2 (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left (8) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing Thanks - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com <mailto:clmjoyal@gmail.com> clmjoyal(a)aol.com <mailto:clmjoyal@aol.com> 630-667-3284 (cell) Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell)

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Meg Dedolph via Callers

22 Mar 22 Mar

10:38 a.m.

Cary Ravitz has The Cows are Watching (which looks quite close to what you have) on a page of dances he's collected - link below. http://www.miscdances.ravitz.us/#cw Meg On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:34 AM Cheryl Joyal via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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I have a wonderful dance in my box that I enjoy dancing and calling - but do not know who wrote it…. can anyone tell me who wrote it? Also - is this the correct name since another caller said they had a dance called “the Cows are Watching” ? Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ? The Cows go Marching by _________________ *A1* (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2 *A2* (16) Neighbor balance and swing *B1* (8) Balance the ring (8) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set *B2* (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left (8) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing Thanks - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 <(630)%20667-3284> (cell) Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 <(630)%20667-3284> (cell) _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

Vicki Morrison via Callers

11:30 a.m.

It's called Cows are Watching by Bill Pope. Note also that it's becket. Great dance! Yes, Cary Ravitz has a "Ravitized" version of it on his site. There's a YouTube video with Cis Hinkle calling it at Mentone in 2012 that I made. Vicki Morrison Tallahassee, FL Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Meg Dedolph via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Cary Ravitz has The Cows are Watching (which looks quite close to what you have) on a page of dances he's collected - link below. http://www.miscdances.ravitz.us/#cw Meg

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:34 AM Cheryl Joyal via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I have a wonderful dance in my box that I enjoy dancing and calling - but do not know who wrote it…. can anyone tell me who wrote it? Also - is this the correct name since another caller said they had a dance called “the Cows are Watching” ? Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ? The Cows go Marching by _________________ A1 (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2 A2 (16) Neighbor balance and swing B1 (8) Balance the ring (8) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set B2 (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left (8) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing Thanks - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

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Jerome Grisanti via Callers

9:51 p.m.

Re: cow-related titles, I believe Carol Ormand wrote a dance called Heifers in the Peonies. --Jerome Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Cheryl Joyal via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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I have a wonderful dance in my box that I enjoy dancing and calling - but do not know who wrote it…. can anyone tell me who wrote it? Also - is this the correct name since another caller said they had a dance called “the Cows are Watching” ? Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ? The Cows go Marching by _________________ *A1* (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2 *A2* (16) Neighbor balance and swing *B1* (8) Balance the ring (8) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set *B2* (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left (8) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing Thanks - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 <(630)%20667-3284> (cell) Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 <(630)%20667-3284> (cell) _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

Kelseyannehartman＠gmail.com via Callers

23 Mar 23 Mar

1:08 a.m.

Cary told me this last December that Judy Goldsmith wrote that wonderful dance with Bill Pope and she seldom gets the credit she deserves. Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Vicki Morrison via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: It's called Cows are Watching by Bill Pope. Note also that it's becket. Great dance! Yes, Cary Ravitz has a "Ravitized" version of it on his site. There's a YouTube video with Cis Hinkle calling it at Mentone in 2012 that I made. Vicki Morrison Tallahassee, FL Sent from my iPhone

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Tom Hinds via Callers

8:09 a.m.

New subject: ???? Looking for Author of Dance - The Cows Go Marching

Cheryl, It looks like a fun dance but there's a mistake in the B1: an eight-beat balance and an eight-beat roll away? On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Cheryl Joyal via Callers wrote:

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I have a wonderful dance in my box that I enjoy dancing and calling - but do not know who wrote it…. can anyone tell me who wrote it? Also - is this the correct name since another caller said they had a dance called “the Cows are Watching” ? Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ? The Cows go Marching by _________________ A1 (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2 A2 (16) Neighbor balance and swing B1 (8) Balance the ring (8) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set B2 (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left (8) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing Thanks - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

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8:30 a.m.

New subject: ???? Looking for Author of Dance - The Cows Go Marching

You're right, Tom, about the B1, but I think the timing overall still works. The gents allemande and swing were shorted some time. I think the second half should look something like this: B1 (4) Balance the ring (4) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left B2 (16) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing The B1 is tight this way so there will be some people behind, but the allemande is forgiving and so B2 can afford to have a fuzzy start and still get a long enough swing. Cheryl -- sorry but I don't know who wrote it! Sargon

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On Mar 23, 2017, at 08:09, Tom Hinds via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Cheryl, It looks like a fun dance but there's a mistake in the B1: an eight-beat balance and an eight-beat roll away?

On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Cheryl Joyal via Callers wrote: I have a wonderful dance in my box that I enjoy dancing and calling - but do not know who wrote it…. can anyone tell me who wrote it? Also - is this the correct name since another caller said they had a dance called “the Cows are Watching” ? Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ? The Cows go Marching by _________________ A1 (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2 A2 (16) Neighbor balance and swing B1 (8) Balance the ring (8) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set B2 (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left (8) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing Thanks - Cheryl Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

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Michael Dyck via Callers

8:33 a.m.

On 17-03-22 10:32 AM, Cheryl Joyal via Callers wrote:

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Anyone have any other “Cow” dances since we are on a theme ?

http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/search.php?ti=cow finds 11 records (9 distinct titles) containing "cow". -Michael

Cheryl Joyal via Callers

11:30 p.m.

New subject: ???? Looking for Author of Dance - The Cows Go Marching

Thanks - you are correct that I had written it incorrectly and Appreciate the update. When I called it, I found that everyone tried to “rush the zig/zag” and next time I will teach as a big zig 4 steps left and then big zag back….. Cheryl Joyal clmjoyal(a)gmail.com clmjoyal(a)aol.com 630-667-3284 (cell) On Mar 23, 2017, at 7:30 AM, sargondj(a)gmail.com wrote: You're right, Tom, about the B1, but I think the timing overall still works. The gents allemande and swing were shorted some time. I think the second half should look something like this: B1 (4) Balance the ring (4) Gents Roll/Sashay Partner across set (4) Zig to Left (w/Partner), (4) Zag to Right and Gents catch by Left B2 (16) Men allemande Left 1x to Partner Swing The B1 is tight this way so there will be some people behind, but the allemande is forgiving and so B2 can afford to have a fuzzy start and still get a long enough swing. Cheryl -- sorry but I don't know who wrote it! Sargon On Mar 23, 2017, at 08:09, Tom Hinds via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:

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Cheryl, It looks like a fun dance but there's a mistake in the B1: an eight-beat balance and an eight-beat roll away? On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Cheryl Joyal via Callers wrote:

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Tom Hinds via Callers

24 Mar 24 Mar

7:32 a.m.

New subject: ???? Looking for Author of Dance -dancers adjust

I believe that zig left, zag right normally takes 4 beats. If the dancers zag a little farther so men can easily take a left hand that would take an additional 2 beats for a total of 6 counts. I'll confirm the timing this Saturday. For me there's this issue of how much we ask the dancers to adjust. It seems that asking dancers to adjust is common in English and perhaps less common in contra. Tom

Jerome Grisanti via Callers

25 Mar 25 Mar

2:43 p.m.

New subject: ???? Looking for Author of Dance -dancers adjust

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-- Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

James Saxe via Callers

4:20 p.m.

New subject: ???? Looking for Author of Dance -dancers adjust

The dance "Cows Are Watching" can be seen in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz8C4THCx2I You can all watch for yourselves and judge how long dancers are taking for the various parts and how leisurely or rushed the action appears to be. It seems to me that men are usually starting their allemandes sometime between beats 13 and 15 of B1, and more often a shade before beat 14 than a shade after. According to the YouTube timer, the time for 12x64 beats of music (from a beat near the start of the videao to a beat at the same point in the tune near the end) is about 6:20, giving an average tempo a little over 121 b.p.m. The hall is not crowded, so dancers have ample space for the roll-away in beats 5-8 of B1. In some cases, but not all, dancers appear already to have started to veer ("zig") left by beat 8. The general skill level of the dancing is pretty high, with only occasional mind lapses and not a lot of fumbling around or confusion about what to do next. Perhaps the typical timing of the zig zag would be different with a different tempo of music, a more crowded floor, or a different mix of dancer skills, or with a caller who made a big point about asking dancers to take a full four beats to zig left. I haven't found any other videos of "Cows Are Watching", but here's a video of "Weave the Line": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8peDGz-zkc It seems to me that dancers are completing the sequence Veer (zig) left past current neighbors Veer (zag) right to face next neighbors and keep veering right to pass them Veer left to face third neighbors pretty much within the first 8 beats of A2, though they may sometimes be stealing a beat from the figure before (circle left) and/or from the figure after (do-si-do third neighbor). --Jim On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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I tend to think of the zig as four beats and the zag as four more. Four total would be zesty or rushed, depending on the crowd and music. Jerome On Friday, March 24, 2017, Tom Hinds via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I believe that zig left, zag right normally takes 4 beats. If the dancers zag a little farther so men can easily take a left hand that would take an additional 2 beats for a total of 6 counts. I'll confirm the timing this Saturday. For me there's this issue of how much we ask the dancers to adjust. It seems that asking dancers to adjust is common in English and perhaps less common in contra. Tom

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James Saxe via Callers

6:16 p.m.

New subject: More zigzag videos (was Re: ???? Looking for Author of Dance -dancers adjust)

I wrote

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I haven't found any other videos of "Cows Are Watching", ...

but on looking back through recent messages, I see that Vicki Morrison mentioned one she made with Cis Hinkle calling at Mentone. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Rp5Fdhscc And here are a couple more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuDWs0vk8qg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVrtMEv7j0 And here's a video of Rick Mohr's "Laura's Zigzag": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2c3GLAGIl0 Michael Dyck's contra dance index http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/by_title.html cites sources for instructions for "Cows Are Watching" and "Laura's Zigzag", and also for "Weave the Line", which I mentioned in my previous message (and also for thousands of other dances). Y'all can watch the videos, read the instructions, and draw your own conclusions about how practice compares with theory, and about whether there are any cases where you'd want to expend effort changing that. --Jim

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On Mar 25, 2017, at 1:20 PM, James Saxe <jim.saxe(a)gmail.com> wrote: The dance "Cows Are Watching" can be seen in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz8C4THCx2I You can all watch for yourselves and judge how long dancers are taking for the various parts and how leisurely or rushed the action appears to be. It seems to me that men are usually starting their allemandes sometime between beats 13 and 15 of B1, and more often a shade before beat 14 than a shade after. According to the YouTube timer, the time for 12x64 beats of music (from a beat near the start of the videao to a beat at the same point in the tune near the end) is about 6:20, giving an average tempo a little over 121 b.p.m. The hall is not crowded, so dancers have ample space for the roll-away in beats 5-8 of B1. In some cases, but not all, dancers appear already to have started to veer ("zig") left by beat 8. The general skill level of the dancing is pretty high, with only occasional mind lapses and not a lot of fumbling around or confusion about what to do next. Perhaps the typical timing of the zig zag would be different with a different tempo of music, a more crowded floor, or a different mix of dancer skills, or with a caller who made a big point about asking dancers to take a full four beats to zig left. I haven't found any other videos of "Cows Are Watching", but here's a video of "Weave the Line": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8peDGz-zkc It seems to me that dancers are completing the sequence Veer (zig) left past current neighbors Veer (zag) right to face next neighbors and keep veering right to pass them Veer left to face third neighbors pretty much within the first 8 beats of A2, though they may sometimes be stealing a beat from the figure before (circle left) and/or from the figure after (do-si-do third neighbor). --Jim On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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