18 Aug
2018
18 Aug
'18
2:22 a.m.
Earlier today, I resurrected a draft dance from (almost exactly) this time
last year which I'd put aside as probably being too crazy. In looking at it
again, I started wondering if it is... too crazy... and wrote up a more
specific description to get it across to others. The magnet people show me
it works, but they don't say much about how it felt. :-)
As I'm still up due to the caffeine I drank to drive home after a gig
tonight, I thought I'd type this up and throw it out there for input. Is it
too crazy? How would you teach the A2 if you attempted it?
Thanks,
Don
Demolition Derby (DRAFT) - 4 Face 4 - Don Veino 20170823 (updated
description 20180817)
[starts in lines/4, so G1, L1, G2, L2]
A1 Give & Take up/down to Gents (opposites Swing) [ends in line/4 facing
up/down: G1, OpL2, G2, OpL1]
A2 "Crazy Eights" [Fig 8 in current lines/4 done a la a Mad Robin - all
trace path of a figure 8, equidistant rel. to Partner, whom you face
up/down in the other line/4]:
(3,1 or 4) Mad Robin CW 1/2x around opposite N you swung [G thru center
first], OpL1 pass in front of G1 in middle to swap ends [to OpL2, OpL1, G1,
G2]
(3,1 or 4) All Pass Same Role Trail Buddy in Fig 8 arc (same arc, but
opposite dir.) to trade places [G1 and OpL1 take outside path - "insides
out"], OpL2 pass in front of G2 in middle to swap ends [to OpL1, G2, OpL2,
G1]
(3,1 or 4) Mad Robin CCW 1/2x around opposite N [G thru center first], OpL1
pass in front of G1 in middle to swap ends [to G2, G1, OpL1, OpL2]
(3,1 or 4) All Pass Same Role Trail Buddy in Fig 8 arc (same arc, opposite
dir.) to trade places [G1 and OpL1 take outside path - "insides out"], OpL2
pass in front of G2 in middle to swap ends [to end in same positions as
start of A2: G1, OpL2, G2, OpL1]
B1 w/Opposites Circle/4 Left 3/4x to (face & Pass Partner Right to start)
Weave the Ring/8 1/2x
B2 Partner Balance (or Gypsy) and Swing, face progression
BTW, it was this dance idea that fed what became another related dance on
my site, Wild Mouse: http://veino.com/blog/?p=1879 . Neither of these have
I dared to attempt to date.
18 Aug
18 Aug
3:01 p.m.
Well Don, you know you shouldn't be smoking that stuff....... )))
Sugar Hill is next weekend. We should be able to wrangle up enough dancers
to give this a decent walk-thru. This looks like a great dance to tryout at
4:00 in the morning. :::wink::: If I have this right you are weaving the
line, but faced like you are a crab.
This is one of those I think a demo set would be the most expedient teach
the A2. Get 8 dancers walked through it before the dance starts or at the
break.
If I have this right you are weaving the line of 4 facing up & down the
hall, faced like you are a crab.
Looks like it might be fun!
Bob Green
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Don Veino via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Earlier today, I resurrected a draft dance from
(almost exactly) this
time last year which I'd put aside as probably being too crazy. In looking
at it again, I started wondering if it is... too crazy... and wrote up a
more specific description to get it across to others. The magnet people
show me it works, but they don't say much about how it felt. :-)
As I'm still up due to the caffeine I drank to drive home after a gig
tonight, I thought I'd type this up and throw it out there for input. Is it
too crazy? How would you teach the A2 if you attempted it?
Thanks,
Don
Demolition Derby (DRAFT) - 4 Face 4 - Don Veino 20170823 (updated
description 20180817)
[starts in lines/4, so G1, L1, G2, L2]
A1 Give & Take up/down to Gents (opposites Swing) [ends in line/4 facing
up/down: G1, OpL2, G2, OpL1]
A2 "Crazy Eights" [Fig 8 in current lines/4 done a la a Mad Robin - all
trace path of a figure 8, equidistant rel. to Partner, whom you face
up/down in the other line/4]:
(3,1 or 4) Mad Robin CW 1/2x around opposite N you swung [G thru center
first], OpL1 pass in front of G1 in middle to swap ends [to OpL2, OpL1, G1,
G2]
(3,1 or 4) All Pass Same Role Trail Buddy in Fig 8 arc (same arc, but
opposite dir.) to trade places [G1 and OpL1 take outside path - "insides
out"], OpL2 pass in front of G2 in middle to swap ends [to OpL1, G2, OpL2,
G1]
(3,1 or 4) Mad Robin CCW 1/2x around opposite N [G thru center first],
OpL1 pass in front of G1 in middle to swap ends [to G2, G1, OpL1, OpL2]
(3,1 or 4) All Pass Same Role Trail Buddy in Fig 8 arc (same arc, opposite
dir.) to trade places [G1 and OpL1 take outside path - "insides out"], OpL2
pass in front of G2 in middle to swap ends [to end in same positions as
start of A2: G1, OpL2, G2, OpL1]
B1 w/Opposites Circle/4 Left 3/4x to (face & Pass Partner Right to start)
Weave the Ring/8 1/2x
B2 Partner Balance (or Gypsy) and Swing, face progression
BTW, it was this dance idea that fed what became another related dance on
my site, Wild Mouse: http://veino.com/blog/?p=1879 . Neither of these
have I dared to attempt to date.
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19 Aug
19 Aug
2:48 a.m.
Don -
I don't understand why Americans are so keen on this "Mad Robin" move.
Instead of staring at your partner the whole time, why not interact with other people and
just do a hey for four?
Colin Hume
8:09 a.m.
The sense I have of the A2 bit is that you've combined a mad robin with a
hey, right? I'd start with that as the description. It's just a hey
passing the one you swung by right shoulder, but you're facing your partner
in the other line of four as you go.
And if it's not a hey, but in fact something a little different then a hey
in terms of the switches, then I'd try to see if it would work as a mad
robin hey...
But then, I'm not actually sure what you mean by weave the ring in B1; so
possibly I should get some more sleep after my own gigs.
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 3:01 PM Bob Green via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Well Don, you know you shouldn't be smoking that
stuff....... )))
Sugar Hill is next weekend. We should be able to wrangle up enough dancers
to give this a decent walk-thru. This looks like a great dance to tryout at
4:00 in the morning. :::wink::: If I have this right you are weaving the
line, but faced like you are a crab.
This is one of those I think a demo set would be the most expedient teach
the A2. Get 8 dancers walked through it before the dance starts or at the
break.
If I have this right you are weaving the line of 4 facing up & down the
hall, faced like you are a crab.
Looks like it might be fun!
Bob Green
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Don Veino via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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Earlier today, I resurrected a draft dance from
(almost exactly) this
time last year which I'd put aside as probably being too crazy. In looking
at it again, I started wondering if it is... too crazy... and wrote up a
more specific description to get it across to others. The magnet people
show me it works, but they don't say much about how it felt. :-)
As I'm still up due to the caffeine I drank to drive home after a gig
tonight, I thought I'd type this up and throw it out there for input. Is it
too crazy? How would you teach the A2 if you attempted it?
Thanks,
Don
Demolition Derby (DRAFT) - 4 Face 4 - Don Veino 20170823 (updated
description 20180817)
[starts in lines/4, so G1, L1, G2, L2]
A1 Give & Take up/down to Gents (opposites Swing) [ends in line/4 facing
up/down: G1, OpL2, G2, OpL1]
A2 "Crazy Eights" [Fig 8 in current lines/4 done a la a Mad Robin - all
trace path of a figure 8, equidistant rel. to Partner, whom you face
up/down in the other line/4]:
(3,1 or 4) Mad Robin CW 1/2x around opposite N you swung [G thru center
first], OpL1 pass in front of G1 in middle to swap ends [to OpL2, OpL1, G1,
G2]
(3,1 or 4) All Pass Same Role Trail Buddy in Fig 8 arc (same arc, but
opposite dir.) to trade places [G1 and OpL1 take outside path - "insides
out"], OpL2 pass in front of G2 in middle to swap ends [to OpL1, G2, OpL2,
G1]
(3,1 or 4) Mad Robin CCW 1/2x around opposite N [G thru center first],
OpL1 pass in front of G1 in middle to swap ends [to G2, G1, OpL1, OpL2]
(3,1 or 4) All Pass Same Role Trail Buddy in Fig 8 arc (same arc,
opposite dir.) to trade places [G1 and OpL1 take outside path - "insides
out"], OpL2 pass in front of G2 in middle to swap ends [to end in same
positions as start of A2: G1, OpL2, G2, OpL1]
B1 w/Opposites Circle/4 Left 3/4x to (face & Pass Partner Right to start)
Weave the Ring/8 1/2x
B2 Partner Balance (or Gypsy) and Swing, face progression
BTW, it was this dance idea that fed what became another related dance on
my site, Wild Mouse: http://veino.com/blog/?p=1879 . Neither of these
have I dared to attempt to date.
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21 Aug
21 Aug
1:42 a.m.
Hi,
Thanks for the replies, I'll address the points in-line below.
-Don
On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Luke Donforth <luke.donev(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Would love to hear about it if you do give it a go.
Thanks for the advice. Even with the change to a more typical Hey, the
styling demonstration would likely still be helpful.
The sense I have of the A2 bit is that you've
combined a mad robin with a
hey, right? I'd start with that as the description. It's just a hey
passing the one you swung by right shoulder, but you're facing your partner
in the other line of four as you go.
A Hey obviously works, but I originally envisioned something more wide like
a Mad Robin (fewer, bigger loops) so the combination was meant to be more
like if a Figure 8 and a Mad Robin had a love child. Each dancer was to
follow the path of their own personal full Figure 8 from their differing
starting positions.
And if it's not a hey, but in fact something a little different then a hey
in terms of the switches, then I'd try to see if it would work as a mad
robin hey...
I got a chance to try out just the critical bits on the sideline with some
very experienced dancers this evening. The Fig-8 style sequence works as
envisioned, but it is pretty much impossible to teach - as it violates
firmly ingrained dancer expectations. It took an excessive amount of time
before they'd do it as instructed, they **want** it to be a Hey and kept
accidentally twiddling it to be so. I understand why - it was the reason
I'd originally put this aside.
Despite my own discomfort with the additional crosses of a Hey with that
facing, they liked it being done while facing Partners up/down (we only had
a single line/4 to try it so could only simulate with ghosts). I accept
that going with the Hey is the best way to go, and leaving it to a styling
option if folks want to do it facing Partners MR-like (it will work fine if
some folks do and others don't).
But then, I'm not actually sure what you mean by
weave the ring in B1; so
possibly I should get some more sleep after my own gigs.
Standard Weave the Ring 1/2x around the group of 8, starting by passing
Partner right. The Circles of 4 @3/4x after the A2 effectively puts
everyone on the corner of the minor set/8 with their Partner such that it
should be easy to pull into the Weave and end with P on the opposite
diagonal.
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 3:01 PM Bob Green via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Not that I would ever go there, but Massachusetts is taking its sweet time
post-legalization. :-)
Well Don, you know you shouldn't be smoking
that stuff....... )))
Sugar Hill is next weekend. We should be able to
wrangle up enough
dancers to give this a decent walk-thru. This looks like a great dance to
tryout at 4:00 in the morning. :::wink:::
If I have this right you are weaving the line, but
faced like you are a
Hopefully the additional commentary above clarifies. The A2 now becomes
simply a Full Hey for 4 in the parallel lines/4, starting with a pass the
Opposite (you swung) outside by right (lefts in center). Facing up/down at
your Partner Mad-Robin-style while doing the parallel moves is a styling
option (one I'd love to try).
crab.
This is one of
those I think a demo set would be the most expedient teach
the A2. Get 8 dancers walked through it before the dance starts or at the
break.
If I have this right you are weaving the line of 4
facing up & down the
See above.
hall, faced like you are a crab.
> Looks like it might be fun!
>
> Bob Green
>
>
> [trimmed out original post details]
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