I think the real crux of the issue is this. How far are we willing to go to create a safe dance space? The problem is, if you are going to say "if you are uncomfortable with your shadow, feel free to move", that could cause a whole new realm of problems for dancers. How would you feel if, after someone identified you as their shadow, they moved to another line? If given this option, I foresee people moving for all sorts of reasons that I identified in my previous email (too fat, too old, too new, etc), and none of them were related to creepers. The caller is there to help build community. How is it building community of you suggest "if you don't want to dance with someone, then move"? You are basically inviting people to refuse to interact with people for ANY reason - creeper or otherwise. I have never, in 15 years of dancing, heard a caller suggest avoiding dancing with any person. Building community means that everyone is welcome and treated like they are welcome. Even society's outcasts. Of course we should ALL be on alert for people who behave inappropriately, but I think we are beginning to move away from a shared sense of community to promoting dancing with only people you are the most comfortable with. Which basically means cliques. It is a risk to dance with brand new people who come to your dance. You know NOTHING about a person who comes to your dance. Suggesting that you may wish to avoid this person because that person might be creepy - or might not be - really seems harmful to community building. Please note that I am not saying ignore creepers. If there is a problem dancer, the community needs to deal with that person and get that person out of the community if necessary. But if interactions with people might somehow become harmful and we wish to ward off all potential problems, then don't call dances with shadow swings, and maybe we ought not to call dances with neighbor swings. Then you could never have to swing any person not of your choosing. Perry ------------------------------ *From:* Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> *To:* Eric Black <eric(a)eric-black.com> *Cc:* callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:01 AM *Subject:* [Callers] Creating a safe dance space (was Shadow Swing Disclaimers) Erik, I'm alarmed at reading your reply in the shadow swing thread. I have seen, as a dancer, caller, and organizer, at a variety of dances, far too many incidents of inappropriate behavior. I refuse to simply wash my hands and say "oh, it's not the caller's place to worry about this." A caller is the MC, the coordinator, and often from the stage we can see everything happening in the room. It absolutely is our paid job to help create a safe dance space. I want to focus on what seems to be the crux of your statement from the shadow swing email: " that interpersonal conflicts will happen, and yet social interactions are required. They understand how to make everyone work together. Family schisms are inevitable." How many "conflicts" does it take before we take responsibility and address inappropriate behavior at a dance? I have seen many occasions where *one* conflict means a dancer who is new never returns, or an experienced dancer never returns, or they wind up having to spend every night avoiding *that creepy dude*. I know first hand what having a *single* bad experience can mean for a dancer. So if we leave these as "inevitable", then the people we lose aren't the people doing the inappropriate behavior - no, those jerks stay, stubbornly - we lose the nicer people who were victimized, harassed, made uncomfortable. Is that the kind of dance environment you want to promote? I don't believe so. Instead, asking questions, as Maia did, about things a caller can do to create a safe dance space, is essential to long term community building. This doesn't mean we are "dance police" or do anything extraordinary. But it does mean that we should be considerate to dancers and not write off their bad experiences as things that they need to merely tolerate and "be an adult" as you put it. Sincerely, Ron Blechner _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net