20 Jul
2020
20 Jul
'20
12:32 a.m.
Hello Callers !
Wondering if anyone has written some “contra” dances that maintain 6 feet distance?
I’m imagining trying (narrow)pool noodles to use as spacers (outdoors). Maybe cut to 3
foot lengths with magnets at the ends to clack & connect to the next noodle.
I know someone doing Intl Folk with ribbons and they were shared by accident, and are
obviously too flexible to help keep distance.
I can also see it being more like solo dancing with “contra” moves in HUGE figures (more
aerobic?) or maybe something totally different?
If you’d like to chat about choreo ideas for distanced outdoor (masks, gloves, etc)
“contra” dances, please email me.
I believe there will be intermediate stages of coming back to dance and we can try when
County and State Health limitations allow (Mine just opened up for out door gatherings
last week).
(I’m very aware of the issues, the research about covid, and our State and County Health
regulations.) I’m looking for conversation about what coming back to dancing might look
like, and choreography to support this that is fun.
Thanks for your on-topic replies.
Best,
Claire Takemori (CA)
20 Jul
20 Jul
8:02 a.m.
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new dance sessions with just
couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your dancers are prepared to
embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra, ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc. are all
part of the same spectrum of dance, with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay with the same partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in those fours, you can add
all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures - there are dozens to choose from.
Yes, it is more fun to do them with new couples, but if you have to stay in the same
foursomes you can still have fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
8:50 a.m.
I like John's idea of designated partners and no progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for
me is a huge part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each
person would need 2 noodles with the opposing polarity magnet in each end.
How do you plan for #'s of attendees? Would you sell "noodle hands" so each
dancer can come prepared and with personal "hands"? (Which I like as a
group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for
posing these questions.
Mary Collins
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new
dance sessions with just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one
person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your
dancers are prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra,
ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc. are all part of the same spectrum of dance,
with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay
with the same partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in
those fours, you can add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures
- there are dozens to choose from. Yes, it is more fun to do them with new
couples, but if you have to stay in the same foursomes you can still have
fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802
940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
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9:32 a.m.
I have some experience with pool noodles (teaching aqua aerobics) and the
dollar-store kind are pretty wiggly and would not withstand the weight of a
magnet, nor be manageable. There are stronger noodles available from
exercise websites, which are not cheap but are tougher and would withstand
use for longer. If 6 ft is from face-to-face, and the human arm is about 2
feet long, perhaps you only need a two-foot noodle, which would add up to 8
feet total with arms extended. Maybe a balsa-wood "baton" would also
work. I'll bet there are some Morris dances that could morph into contra
dances, using sticks. Picturing stars and heys with sticks/noodles--the
dances would be lovely. Get a drone and film them from above!
Our town almost opened up for outdoor gatherings of 10, but then the
upswing in cases hit. And we can't be outdoors until October, anyway, in
this heat.
Louise Siddons is also working on "out-of-the-box" contra ideas:
https://forms.gle/eR8dbyLz9NV3592h8.
Lissa Bengtson
San Antonio
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mary Collins via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I like John's idea of designated partners and no
progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for
me is a huge part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each
person would need 2 noodles with the opposing polarity magnet in each end.
How do you plan for #'s of attendees? Would you sell "noodle hands" so
each
dancer can come prepared and with personal "hands"? (Which I like as a
group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for
posing these questions.
Mary Collins
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new
dance sessions with just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one
person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your
dancers are prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra,
ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc. are all part of the same spectrum of dance,
with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay
with the same partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple
dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in
those fours, you can add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures
- there are dozens to choose from. Yes, it is more fun to do them with new
couples, but if you have to stay in the same foursomes you can still have
fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 &
07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
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2:29 p.m.
Could have a baton in one hand and a glove on the other to grasp the other person's
baton "hand" - seems like it could be doable! then cross hand swings might work
too
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
I have some experience with pool noodles (teaching aqua aerobics) and the dollar-store
kind are pretty wiggly and would not withstand the weight of a magnet, nor be manageable.
There are stronger noodles available from exercise websites, which are not cheap but are
tougher and would withstand use for longer. If 6 ft is from face-to-face, and the human
arm is about 2 feet long, perhaps you only need a two-foot noodle, which would add up to 8
feet total with arms extended. Maybe a balsa-wood "baton" would also work.
I'll bet there are some Morris dances that could morph into contra dances, using
sticks. Picturing stars and heys with sticks/noodles--the dances would be lovely. Get a
drone and film them from above!
Our town almost opened up for outdoor gatherings of 10, but then the upswing in cases
hit. And we can't be outdoors until October, anyway, in this heat.
Louise Siddons is also working on "out-of-the-box" contra ideas:
https://forms.gle/eR8dbyLz9NV3592h8.
Lissa Bengtson
San Antonio
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
I like John's idea of designated partners and no progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for me is a huge
part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each person would need 2 noodles
with the opposing polarity magnet in each end. How do you plan for #'s of attendees?
Would you sell "noodle hands" so each dancer can come prepared and with personal
"hands"? (Which I like as a group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for posing
these questions.
Mary Collins
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new dance sessions with
just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your dancers are
prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra, ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc.
are all part of the same spectrum of dance, with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay with the same
partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in those fours, you can
add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures - there are dozens to choose from.
Yes, it is more fun to do them with new couples, but if you have to stay in the same
foursomes you can still have fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john@modernjive.com<mailto:john@modernjive.com>
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
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3:08 p.m.
Looks like I'm coming a little late to this thread, but I must appreciate Claire's
question and Delia's response to the negativity. Yes, Contra is not now and maybe not
in the foreseeable future be what we "remember", but those of us who enjoy
community events and gathering will try to find other ways.
Several of us across the US (and in England if I remember correctly?) are spending
countless hours in our dance communities preparing Zoom gatherings be it contra, ECD,
couple dances or socials. Others are hosting concerts to support musicians, and having
jams to keep local musicians engaged. Others are challenging the limits of technology to
make the music sound "live" (who knew??). We're giving our community
members just a taste of what we're missing while allowing us to visit with friends
near and faraway from other parts of the country.
So, I appreciate the open inquiry and initiating a discussion of what might the future
bring...because it will be a long time before folks feel comfortable being close again.
With innovation and social distancing we might be able to social dis-dance together
again.
BTW: some of these suggestions sound like sword dancing...together while holding swords
or sticks, morris with hankies?, creating patterns and working together. With the heat
wave this week I'd encourage a swimming pool dance with noodles (and masks of
course). Duck for the Oyster anyone?
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
#yiv5148313700 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Could have a baton in one hand and a glove
on the other to grasp the other person's baton "hand" - seems like it could
be doable! then cross hand swings might work too
From: Lissa Bengtson via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:32 AM
To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo? I have some experience
with pool noodles (teaching aqua aerobics) and the dollar-store kind are pretty wiggly and
would not withstand the weight of a magnet, nor be manageable. There are stronger noodles
available from exercise websites, which are not cheap but are tougher and would withstand
use for longer. If 6 ft is from face-to-face, and the human arm is about 2 feet long,
perhaps you only need a two-foot noodle, which would add up to 8 feet total with arms
extended. Maybe a balsa-wood "baton" would also work. I'll bet there are
some Morris dances that could morph into contra dances, using sticks. Picturing stars and
heys with sticks/noodles--the dances would be lovely. Get a drone and film them from
above! Our town almost opened up for outdoor gatherings of 10, but then the upswing
in cases hit. And we can't be outdoors until October, anyway, in this heat. Louise
Siddons is also working on "out-of-the-box" contra
ideas: https://forms.gle/eR8dbyLz9NV3592h8.
Lissa BengtsonSan Antonio
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I like John's idea of designated partners and no progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for me is a huge
part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each person would need 2 noodles
with the opposing polarity magnet in each end. How do you plan for #'s of attendees?
Would you sell "noodle hands" so each dancer can come prepared and with personal
"hands"? (Which I like as a group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for posing
these questions.
Mary Collins
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new dance sessions with
just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your dancers are
prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra, ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc.
are all part of the same spectrum of dance, with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay with the same
partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in those fours, you can
add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures - there are dozens to choose from.
Yes, it is more fun to do them with new couples, but if you have to stay in the same
foursomes you can still have fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
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21 Jul
1:52 a.m.
New subject: [TradCallers] Re: Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Got tested Friday. (good at the moment)
The last dance I called was the 5th Saturday in February.at Sunderland, MA (so long
ago)
The next might be the first Saturday in August for the monthly Cornwall, CT Town Hall
dance. (now dark).
It would be outside either on town property or on private land in front of a
barn.Semi-public, by word of mouth - what would I call...!?
Modified contradance loosely based on the likes of Morning Star and Lady of the Lake..
(Sets no more than 6 couples)Certain type short whole set longways - a scattered 2 couple
formation - a circle - Patricia's Round (don't ask). Square.
(2 in mind). Dosadoes done face to face (back up, stay away from me...Oh yeah, we live
together) Arm turns (wave).
Keeping Dudley's printout. .
Would expect a smaller group and doing just an hour or so. Folks have asked. Gathering
the movers and shakers - (music)
Bob LivingstonMiddletown, CT..
On Monday, July 20, 2020, 4:08:22 PM EDT, Donna Hunt via Trad Callers
<tradcallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Looks like I'm coming a little late to this thread, but I must appreciate
Claire's question and Delia's response to the negativity. Yes, Contra is not now
and maybe not in the foreseeable future be what we "remember", but those of us
who enjoy community events and gathering will try to find other ways.
Several of us across the US (and in England if I remember correctly?) are spending
countless hours in our dance communities preparing Zoom gatherings be it contra, ECD,
couple dances or socials. Others are hosting concerts to support musicians, and having
jams to keep local musicians engaged. Others are challenging the limits of technology to
make the music sound "live" (who knew??). We're giving our community
members just a taste of what we're missing while allowing us to visit with friends
near and faraway from other parts of the country.
So, I appreciate the open inquiry and initiating a discussion of what might the future
bring...because it will be a long time before folks feel comfortable being close again.
With innovation and social distancing we might be able to social dis-dance together
again.
BTW: some of these suggestions sound like sword dancing...together while holding swords
or sticks, morris with hankies?, creating patterns and working together. With the heat
wave this week I'd encourage a swimming pool dance with noodles (and masks of
course). Duck for the Oyster anyone?
Donna Hunt
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To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>om>; Lissa Bengtson
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Could have a baton in one hand and a glove on the other to grasp the other person's
baton "hand" - seems like it could be doable! then cross hand swings might work
too
From: Lissa Bengtson via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:32 AM
To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo? I have some experience
with pool noodles (teaching aqua aerobics) and the dollar-store kind are pretty wiggly and
would not withstand the weight of a magnet, nor be manageable. There are stronger noodles
available from exercise websites, which are not cheap but are tougher and would withstand
use for longer. If 6 ft is from face-to-face, and the human arm is about 2 feet long,
perhaps you only need a two-foot noodle, which would add up to 8 feet total with arms
extended. Maybe a balsa-wood "baton" would also work. I'll bet there are
some Morris dances that could morph into contra dances, using sticks. Picturing stars and
heys with sticks/noodles--the dances would be lovely. Get a drone and film them from
above! Our town almost opened up for outdoor gatherings of 10, but then the upswing
in cases hit. And we can't be outdoors until October, anyway, in this heat. Louise
Siddons is also working on "out-of-the-box" contra
ideas: https://forms.gle/eR8dbyLz9NV3592h8.
Lissa BengtsonSan Antonio
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I like John's idea of designated partners and no progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for me is a huge
part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each person would need 2 noodles
with the opposing polarity magnet in each end. How do you plan for #'s of attendees?
Would you sell "noodle hands" so each dancer can come prepared and with personal
"hands"? (Which I like as a group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for posing
these questions.
Mary Collins
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new dance sessions with
just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your dancers are
prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra, ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc.
are all part of the same spectrum of dance, with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay with the same
partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in those fours, you can
add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures - there are dozens to choose from.
Yes, it is more fun to do them with new couples, but if you have to stay in the same
foursomes you can still have fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
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New subject: [External] Re: [TradCallers] Re: Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Add this in considerations:
Think about when dancers are doing a hey in a big open gym or space with no lines or
chairs to hem them in - they spread out. When they spread out, they take more time and are
unable to complete a hey in time.
More space - 6' or more - means dancers need more time to complete moves. Choreography
will either need to have fewer moves in 16 bar time frame or use longer tunes - 40 or 48
bar tunes or two tunes back to back (Dutch Crossing style).
It will be interesting and fun to see what is a comfortable amount of steps/bars to
complete the usual moves when the distance is doubled. The timing on everything would be
very different.
________________________________
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Subject: [External] [Callers] Re: [TradCallers] Re: Re: Distance "contra" dance
choreo?
Got tested Friday. (good at the moment[Emoji])
The last dance I called was the 5th Saturday in February.at Sunderland, MA (so long
ago)
The next might be the first Saturday in August for the monthly Cornwall, CT Town Hall
dance. (now dark).
It would be outside either on town property or on private land in front of a barn.
Semi-public, by word of mouth - what would I call...!?
Modified contradance loosely based on the likes of Morning Star and Lady of the Lake..
(Sets no more than 6 couples)
Certain type short whole set longways - a scattered 2 couple formation - a circle -
Patricia's Round (don't ask). Square.
(2 in mind). Dosadoes done face to face (back up, stay away from me...Oh yeah, we live
together) Arm turns (wave).
Keeping Dudley's printout. .
Would expect a smaller group and doing just an hour or so. Folks have asked. Gathering
the movers and shakers - (music)
Bob Livingston
Middletown, CT..
On Monday, July 20, 2020, 4:08:22 PM EDT, Donna Hunt via Trad Callers
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Looks like I'm coming a little late to this thread, but I must appreciate Claire's
question and Delia's response to the negativity. Yes, Contra is not now and maybe not
in the foreseeable future be what we "remember", but those of us who enjoy
community events and gathering will try to find other ways.
Several of us across the US (and in England if I remember correctly?) are spending
countless hours in our dance communities preparing Zoom gatherings be it contra, ECD,
couple dances or socials. Others are hosting concerts to support musicians, and having
jams to keep local musicians engaged. Others are challenging the limits of technology to
make the music sound "live" (who knew??). We're giving our community
members just a taste of what we're missing while allowing us to visit with friends
near and faraway from other parts of the country.
So, I appreciate the open inquiry and initiating a discussion of what might the future
bring...because it will be a long time before folks feel comfortable being close again.
With innovation and social distancing we might be able to social dis-dance together
again.
BTW: some of these suggestions sound like sword dancing...together while holding swords
or sticks, morris with hankies?, creating patterns and working together. With the heat
wave this week I'd encourage a swimming pool dance with noodles (and masks of
course). Duck for the Oyster anyone?
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Could have a baton in one hand and a glove on the other to grasp the other person's
baton "hand" - seems like it could be doable! then cross hand swings might work
too
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I have some experience with pool noodles (teaching aqua aerobics) and the dollar-store
kind are pretty wiggly and would not withstand the weight of a magnet, nor be manageable.
There are stronger noodles available from exercise websites, which are not cheap but are
tougher and would withstand use for longer. If 6 ft is from face-to-face, and the human
arm is about 2 feet long, perhaps you only need a two-foot noodle, which would add up to 8
feet total with arms extended. Maybe a balsa-wood "baton" would also work.
I'll bet there are some Morris dances that could morph into contra dances, using
sticks. Picturing stars and heys with sticks/noodles--the dances would be lovely. Get a
drone and film them from above!
Our town almost opened up for outdoor gatherings of 10, but then the upswing in cases
hit. And we can't be outdoors until October, anyway, in this heat.
Louise Siddons is also working on "out-of-the-box" contra ideas:
https://forms.gle/eR8dbyLz9NV3592h8<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.o…amp;reserved=0>.
Lissa Bengtson
San Antonio
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I like John's idea of designated partners and no progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for me is a huge
part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each person would need 2 noodles
with the opposing polarity magnet in each end. How do you plan for #'s of attendees?
Would you sell "noodle hands" so each dancer can come prepared and with personal
"hands"? (Which I like as a group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for posing
these questions.
Mary Collins
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Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new dance sessions with
just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your dancers are
prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra, ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc.
are all part of the same spectrum of dance, with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay with the same
partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in those fours, you can
add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures - there are dozens to choose from.
Yes, it is more fun to do them with new couples, but if you have to stay in the same
foursomes you can still have fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
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I just did a test circle left with 6' distance = 16 steps. That is convenient if holds
for all choreography; means most moves would take double length time. I suspect down the
hall (4 down, 8 turn as a couple, 4 up) and heys would not necessarily double.
The science says when heavy breathing is involved, 6' rule does not apply; more space
is needed for safe social distancing, even outdoors. For this exercise you might wish to
consider 10' distance.
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Add this in considerations:
Think about when dancers are doing a hey in a big open gym or space with no lines or
chairs to hem them in - they spread out. When they spread out, they take more time and are
unable to complete a hey in time.
More space - 6' or more - means dancers need more time to complete moves. Choreography
will either need to have fewer moves in 16 bar time frame or use longer tunes - 40 or 48
bar tunes or two tunes back to back (Dutch Crossing style).
It will be interesting and fun to see what is a comfortable amount of steps/bars to
complete the usual moves when the distance is doubled. The timing on everything would be
very different.
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Subject: [External] [Callers] Re: [TradCallers] Re: Re: Distance "contra" dance
choreo?
Got tested Friday. (good at the moment[Emoji])
The last dance I called was the 5th Saturday in February.at Sunderland, MA (so long
ago)
The next might be the first Saturday in August for the monthly Cornwall, CT Town Hall
dance. (now dark).
It would be outside either on town property or on private land in front of a barn.
Semi-public, by word of mouth - what would I call...!?
Modified contradance loosely based on the likes of Morning Star and Lady of the Lake..
(Sets no more than 6 couples)
Certain type short whole set longways - a scattered 2 couple formation - a circle -
Patricia's Round (don't ask). Square.
(2 in mind). Dosadoes done face to face (back up, stay away from me...Oh yeah, we live
together) Arm turns (wave).
Keeping Dudley's printout. .
Would expect a smaller group and doing just an hour or so. Folks have asked. Gathering
the movers and shakers - (music)
Bob Livingston
Middletown, CT..
On Monday, July 20, 2020, 4:08:22 PM EDT, Donna Hunt via Trad Callers
<tradcallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Looks like I'm coming a little late to this thread, but I must appreciate Claire's
question and Delia's response to the negativity. Yes, Contra is not now and maybe not
in the foreseeable future be what we "remember", but those of us who enjoy
community events and gathering will try to find other ways.
Several of us across the US (and in England if I remember correctly?) are spending
countless hours in our dance communities preparing Zoom gatherings be it contra, ECD,
couple dances or socials. Others are hosting concerts to support musicians, and having
jams to keep local musicians engaged. Others are challenging the limits of technology to
make the music sound "live" (who knew??). We're giving our community
members just a taste of what we're missing while allowing us to visit with friends
near and faraway from other parts of the country.
So, I appreciate the open inquiry and initiating a discussion of what might the future
bring...because it will be a long time before folks feel comfortable being close again.
With innovation and social distancing we might be able to social dis-dance together
again.
BTW: some of these suggestions sound like sword dancing...together while holding swords
or sticks, morris with hankies?, creating patterns and working together. With the heat
wave this week I'd encourage a swimming pool dance with noodles (and masks of
course). Duck for the Oyster anyone?
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Could have a baton in one hand and a glove on the other to grasp the other person's
baton "hand" - seems like it could be doable! then cross hand swings might work
too
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Distance "contra" dance choreo?
I have some experience with pool noodles (teaching aqua aerobics) and the dollar-store
kind are pretty wiggly and would not withstand the weight of a magnet, nor be manageable.
There are stronger noodles available from exercise websites, which are not cheap but are
tougher and would withstand use for longer. If 6 ft is from face-to-face, and the human
arm is about 2 feet long, perhaps you only need a two-foot noodle, which would add up to 8
feet total with arms extended. Maybe a balsa-wood "baton" would also work.
I'll bet there are some Morris dances that could morph into contra dances, using
sticks. Picturing stars and heys with sticks/noodles--the dances would be lovely. Get a
drone and film them from above!
Our town almost opened up for outdoor gatherings of 10, but then the upswing in cases
hit. And we can't be outdoors until October, anyway, in this heat.
Louise Siddons is also working on "out-of-the-box" contra ideas:
https://forms.gle/eR8dbyLz9NV3592h8<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.o…amp;reserved=0>.
Lissa Bengtson
San Antonio
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mary Collins via Contra Callers
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wrote:
I like John's idea of designated partners and no progressions.
Claire I also am liking the noodle idea. Still making connection which for me is a huge
part of contra and square dance. A thought about that, each person would need 2 noodles
with the opposing polarity magnet in each end. How do you plan for #'s of attendees?
Would you sell "noodle hands" so each dancer can come prepared and with personal
"hands"? (Which I like as a group fundraiser)
Watching this space for more dance ideas for my "covid box". Thanks for posing
these questions.
Mary Collins
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 9:02 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
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wrote:
Hi Claire,
What some groups are planning, possibly, is to start their new dance sessions with
just couple dances. Come with a partner, or choose one person and stay with them.
There are lots of good dances to choose from; but only if your dancers are
prepared to embrace change, new ideas and new skills. Contra, ceilidh, squares, ECD, etc.
are all part of the same spectrum of dance, with common origins.
Here are some ideas (some are usually done as mixers, just stay with the same
partner):
Salty Dog Rag
La Chapelloise
Swedish Masquerade
Teton Mountain Stomp
The Ideal Schottische
The Gay Gordons
Redwing Mixer
Twirl & Go
You can Waltz (obviously) and all the other standard couple dances.
And if your dancers are prepared to work in fours and stay in those fours, you can
add all the Appalachian/Running Set two-couple figures - there are dozens to choose from.
Yes, it is more fun to do them with new couples, but if you have to stay in the same
foursomes you can still have fun.
I hope that helps.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john@modernjive.com<mailto:john@modernjive.com>
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html<https://nam03.safelinks.prot…
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New subject: [TradCallers] Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Hey, Claire!
I don't have any prewritten choreographies to offer at present.
I'm enjoying the magnetic pool noodles thought, and appreciate your ingenuinity in
coming up with a way to, basically, make everyone's arms extra long and not have to
touch something other people touch.
(I can't build this myself, but what I really think we'd want is a stick with
strong electromagnets on one end and a handle on the other that you can squeeze to turn
the magnet on an off. Then you can get an attachment at the end strong enough to share
some weight across but that you can break easily for moving on to the next person. Or
maybe something with the mechanism of one of those grabbers with a coupler at the other
end, so you squeeze the handle and something mechanically grabs at the other end. Of
course these need to be light and have no eye-threatening sharp edges.)
Thinking further about this idea of distancing but with props - I initially had the same
thought that Donna did about sword dancing, but remembered from doing longsword that those
swords are between 2.5 and 3.5 feet and dancers hold their own sword by the handle and
someone else's sword by the "point" (it's not sharp). The set is very
elastic; in some longsword figures the two people on one sword tuck in next to each other
behind the sword so are a foot or less apart; in others (circles) the arms get quite
stretched out so the people's heads are over six feet apart. I don't think
longsword choreography has too much to offer for distance contra but we can take a lesson
from it.
In most longsword where the music goes at a reasonable clip and the circles get big, you
really have to do a dance run to get the circles to go around. Bigger circle, more ground
to cover. If you make the circle contract, you get closer to your neighbors.
I haven't measured this, but if people hold hands and make Ws with their arms I think
the bodies are three feet apart and if we claim the bodies are 20 inches across we have
(20+36)*4/12 = an almost 19-foot circumference, and you may have enough connectioni beween
hands to drive the circle. If we're extending everybody's arms by three feet with
pool noodles (which we have to keep the outstretched hands six feet apart from each other)
then the bodies are 9 feet apart
(W arm shape plus six feet noodle) so (20+108)*4/12 = a 42-foot circumference. I assumed
either a two-hand-turn or crossed-hand-turn and I think the goal is to keep the
mouths/noses/eyes six feet apart so let's make those pool noodles a foot and a half
long so that you get person->arm(18 inches)->noodle(18 inches)->noodle(18
inches0->arm(18 inches) person. Then I think you've got about a 30-foot
circumference (20+72)*4/12. The distance you have to cover to turn that circle is 150% of
the distance to turn an undistanced contra circle, so you're going to need either more
time or bigger steps to cover that ground.
I think this is okay for a circle left / circle right that just goes as far as as it can
in the time and then comes back the same distance, but if you want to do CL 3/4 and swing
or CL 3/4 and pass through - things where you need to get a particular place in a
particular amount of time - you either need bigger steps or more music or relaxed enough
timing.
CL-> swing transition is least hassle if you keep the hand you've got with whoever
you're swinging and take the other hand in a two-hand-turn style thing which lets you
keep arm-noodle-noodle-arm distance. I think that's going to be really awkward to
get into, though; in the circle you're connected by one right hand one left hand; if
both dancers are right-handed (statistically likely) one of them is going to have to use
their non-dominant hand to "dock" their noodle with the other dancer's
noodle *while turning right to face them* and I don't think that's going to be
reliably smooth.
I think we'd probably be better off making every swing a balance & swing, with the
balance time allowing for docking.
Other thoughts about figures - courtesy turns as we know them would shrink the space to
less than six feet if we keep 18inch noodles - whoever's hand is behind their back
loses the 18" of arm and the width of their body from the length of the noodle. I
think you can just convert them to allemandes and retain distancing. Over in English
we've been doing the "open chain" for years (usually in waltz time);
substitute that for chain and courtesy turn and you can keep up.
Shoulder-round figures need to be much bigger than they're done at non-distance
contras. This is entirely feasible (English shoulder rounds are can be the width of the
set) but it's not what people are used to.
I'm thinking about Rory O'More wave balance and spin by, and in addition to having
to cover more ground to spin past (doable; we probably cover enough ground in, say
"Pirate's Life For Me" when we spin past two), I think there's a good
chance of whacking somebody with a pool noodle if you bring your hands down and up again.
This would need experiment, but maybe if you're spinning you need to bring your
noodles up vertically so they touch over your head while you're spinning.
As best as I can picture, twirling under the noodle handhold is a non-starter. It shrinks
the distance between the people holding "hands" both because the hands have to
go up and because the twirl brings the twirler in under the arch. I think if you want to
twirl you need to break the connection and twirl yourself in your own track.
This is fun to think about but I probably shouldn't spend any more time on it now.
-- Alan
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Subject: [TradCallers] Distance "contra" dance choreo?
Hello Callers !
Wondering if anyone has written some “contra” dances that maintain 6 feet distance?
I’m imagining trying (narrow)pool noodles to use as spacers (outdoors). Maybe cut to 3
foot lengths with magnets at the ends to clack & connect to the next noodle.
I know someone doing Intl Folk with ribbons and they were shared by accident, and are
obviously too flexible to help keep distance.
I can also see it being more like solo dancing with “contra” moves in HUGE figures (more
aerobic?) or maybe something totally different?
If you’d like to chat about choreo ideas for distanced outdoor (masks, gloves, etc)
“contra” dances, please email me.
I believe there will be intermediate stages of coming back to dance and we can try when
County and State Health limitations allow (Mine just opened up for out door gatherings
last week).
(I’m very aware of the issues, the research about covid, and our State and County Health
regulations.) I’m looking for conversation about what coming back to dancing might look
like, and choreography to support this that is fun.
Thanks for your on-topic replies.
Best,
Claire Takemori (CA)
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