Jo wrote: Well, if those people were reporting their own experiences, who am I to argue, but if they're arguing from theory, the disorientation argument seems to me like crazy talk. First, because you're still with your same foursome. Second, because you shouldn't be looking at the walls to start with. (This argument seems to be saying that it's disorienting to leave the part of the room you started out in. But you're going to be leaving it anyway, in the next round.) Now, there's a reason not to do down-the-hall-four-in-line in your first dance, but it's not disorientation - it's that this move needs a little technique (six steps down, two to turn (alone or as a couple), six steps up, two to bend the line), and if they don't do the technique and go down the hall for 8 steps, they'll be late for the next thing and not have the successful experience you'd like them to have on the first dance. (They're also likelier to find themselves getting twirled, willy-nilly, on the way back up, which *is* disorienting). If you can convey the necessary technique, I don't think there's any problem with the 4IL figure itself. (There's more of a problem for newcomers with actives-only down the hall, come back and cast off, so you're already progressed but still working with the same couple. They get used to that kind of thing, though.) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON(a)SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ===============================================================================