Hi Jeff, You said, " At contra dances I've only heard seesaw to mean a left shoulder Dosido". Since Sam was going for "fluid motion", and Seesaw can mean Left Shoulder Gypsy, and that would make a smoother flow into a Shadow Swing, then I was actually guessing he meant Left Shoulder Gypsy. I always say what I mean when I call a Seesaw. Just in case... :-) You said, " In contra all balances are with joined hands". Well, that depends on exactly how you define a contra dance. If you include ancient and traditional ones, then I am pretty sure that you will find plenty of examples of balances without hands. :-) Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent