20 Jun
2013
20 Jun
'13
4:35 p.m.
I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a classic.
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There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
another one instead of altering that one?
Michael Barraclough
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Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to
progress, just have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next
neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
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Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID the next
neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After that, they get a better feel
for the area to aim for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
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this great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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5:10 p.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33
Exactly. And if it can't be taught effectively to a certain group, choose another
dance.
On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Bree Kalb <bree(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a
classic.
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33
>
> There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
> another one instead of altering that one?
>
> Michael Barraclough
>
6:08 p.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33
May I respectfully disagree with Michael, Bree and Joyce? And offer an analogy? Every
five or six years I tell the Odyssey to the students at my school, one book per week, over
the course of the school year. I do make a few alterations and omissions befitting my
audience. And of course I could choose a different story. But teachers, parents and
students seem to cherish this classic story--and deservedly so, I think! My minor
alterations allow me to pass on a great classic to my audience. Similarly, callers who
cherish a classic dance, and feel an alteration will allow them to present it an audience,
should be allowed to do so, in my opinion. Of course the authors of the dances may feel
differently about this!
Looking at contra history, haven't classic dances much older than 3-33-33 evolved in
the past century or two, and aren't they called and danced regularly today with those
alterations?
Richard
On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Joyce Miller wrote:
Exactly. And if it can't be taught effectively to
a certain group, choose another dance.
On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Bree Kalb <bree(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a
classic.
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> There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
> another one instead of altering that one?
>
> Michael Barraclough
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8:30 p.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33
A Number of Points:
1) Wm DSD 1.5 to progress works fine -- especially if you get the men in
the action: they also need to know who to look for, and step in towards
the woman coming at them.
--- A thought that comes up for me on this point: I've noticed that, now
that dances tend to be everyone active, and equal, we dancers have
forgotten much about how to "manage" a dance. And we callers have not
been effective at teaching it. That used to be the inactive's job. Now
I don't even use the word "inactive," I call them ones & twos. So, it
would help if we figure ways to remind dancers that they are responsible
for keeping the distance a good distance, not too far, not so close as
to crowd too much. And, it is everyone's role to help each other be
where they need to be...
2) Teaching effectively often takes a "dance with a challenge" into a
relatively "easy" dance. When I started calling I highlighted my cards
with green for easy, orange for medium, and red for challenging. After
about a year, many of those colors needed changing. Many "red" cards
changed to orange or green, and a few "green" cards needed a color
change up to orange or red. What was lacking was an understanding of
how to teach, and, at times, a misjudgement on something I thought easy,
but dancers didn't. Still, the better I got at the walk through, the
easier "hard" dances became. Still got a lot to learn...
3) To contradict point 1: I modify dances all the time, as my perception
of the need demands. So, even though I think a Wm DSD 1.5 might work
fine, I might change it because it is a somewhat "ambiguous" figure, no
direct connection on where you're going, along with the need to go
farther than the normal 8-beat DSD usually expects -- the challenge
callers are noting. If I do modify a dance, I'll call it a "minor
variation of ...".
4) As brought up: Chorus Jig: originally a triple minor. Petronella --
according to The Country Dance Book (if I recall correctly) originally
done only by the active couple. And, there are more Chestnuts that we
no longer dance as they were danced.
I recall when Ted Sanella came for Santa Barbara's Harvest Moon, we
started Chorus Jig as a triple minor. Then he had couples waiting out
at the top enter as a duple minor, so we got to feel the modern
difference as we progressed through the dance.
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 6/20/2013 4:08 PM, Richard Fischer wrote:
May I respectfully disagree with Michael, Bree and
Joyce? And offer an analogy? Every five or six years I tell the Odyssey to the students
at my school, one book per week, over the course of the school year. I do make a few
alterations and omissions befitting my audience. And of course I could choose a different
story. But teachers, parents and students seem to cherish this classic story--and
deservedly so, I think! My minor alterations allow me to pass on a great classic to my
audience. Similarly, callers who cherish a classic dance, and feel an alteration will
allow them to present it an audience, should be allowed to do so, in my opinion. Of course
the authors of the dances may feel differently about this!
Looking at contra history, haven't classic dances much older than 3-33-33 evolved in
the past century or two, and aren't they called and danced regularly today with those
alterations?
Richard
On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Joyce Miller wrote:
Exactly. And if it can't be taught
effectively to a certain group, choose another dance.
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I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a
classic.
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> There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
> another one instead of altering that one?
>
> Michael Barraclough
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11:49 p.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33
In *Cracking Chestnuts* by David Smuckler & David Millstone, there is a
humorous and most enlightening history of the evolution of Money Musk which
runs 12 pages.
While I completely respect the authors original intent and choreography, I
do agree that there is room for variation when the need arises. Factors
could include heat, physical condition, and plenty of other reasons.
Dances are also being tweaked and given different names often enough.
Richard's point about the Odyssey is especially cogent.
What a great list. Thanks everyone.
Paul
7:11 p.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33
Ditto Joyce<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
8:20 p.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
I wrote a dance that, when I finished it, I realized the A was the
same as 3-33,33:
http://contradances.tumblr.com/post/10510984149/ants-marching
It's gone over well, and has an easier finish. There's one move to
teach very carefully. (I uh ... sorta created a variation of a
left-hand-high-right-hand-low that goes into a swing ... called a Loop
Di Doo). It's been picked up by a few other callers, so, I know it's
not totally awful.
in dance,
Ron T Blechner
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Bree Kalb <bree(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a
classic.
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Sent: Jun 20, 2013 5:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
another one instead of altering that one?
Michael Barraclough
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
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progress, just have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next
neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
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From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID the next
neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After that, they get a better feel
for the area to aim for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
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this great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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10:14 p.m.
New subject: "Loop Di Doo" (was Re: Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33)
Ron,
I think your "Loop Di Doo" figure is a lot like something that
occurs in some versions of the traditional (not modern western)
square dance "Forward Six" (a/k/a "Right Hand High, Left Hand Low"
or "Right Lady Over, Left Lady Under" ...). See for example these
videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaDbKuJNqkM
(watch the action as 2:45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltQg0o_p0SU
(watch at 1:12)
It's not exactly the same, since in the square dance figure it's
the left hand lady (already holding he partner's hand) who ducks
under the arch, while the right hand lady arches (rather than
diving) to get to her lonesome gent.
--Jim
On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
I wrote a dance that, when I finished it, I realized
the A was the
same as 3-33,33:
http://contradances.tumblr.com/post/10510984149/ants-marching
It's gone over well, and has an easier finish. There's one move to
teach very carefully. (I uh ... sorta created a variation of a
left-hand-high-right-hand-low that goes into a swing ... called a Loop
Di Doo). It's been picked up by a few other callers, so, I know it's
not totally awful.
in dance,
Ron T Blechner
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Bree Kalb <bree(a)mindspring.com>
wrote:
I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a
classic.
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
another one instead of altering that one?
Michael Barraclough
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
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http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to
progress, just
have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the
next neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed this
version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the
women ID the next neighbor early on. They know which face to
look for. After that, they get a better feel for the area to aim
for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's
brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
> 3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this great
> dance recently
> and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several
> venues have
> had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-
> do 1 1/2 to
> the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They
> have trouble
> finding that next neighbor, even after several times through,
> and with
> translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and
> down the line
> of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an
> allemande right 1
> 1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect.
> What about a
> ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande
> left and
> then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with
> that
> neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed
> the problem
> that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Rickey Holt
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3:10 p.m.
New subject: "Loop Di Doo" (was Re: Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33)
Hi Jim?
Yeah. That's originally what I was aiming for; I've danced contra dances
where they are used as a down-the-hall turnaroynd. The Loop Di Doo differs
in that instead of a turnaround move, it leads into a swing as a
continuation of the move. Actually, if Forward Six changed hands the gent
lifted, it would be the same since a swing follows.
I do believe that's Jack Mitchell in that video.
On Jun 20, 2013 11:14 PM, "James Saxe" <jim.saxe(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ron,
I think your "Loop Di Doo" figure is a lot like something that
occurs in some versions of the traditional (not modern western)
square dance "Forward Six" (a/k/a "Right Hand High, Left Hand Low"
or "Right Lady Over, Left Lady Under" ...). See for example these
videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=vaDbKuJNqkM<http://www.youtube.com/watc…
(watch the action as 2:45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=ltQg0o_p0SU<http://www.youtube.com/watc…
(watch at 1:12)
It's not exactly the same, since in the square dance figure it's
the left hand lady (already holding he partner's hand) who ducks
under the arch, while the right hand lady arches (rather than
diving) to get to her lonesome gent.
--Jim
On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
I wrote a dance that, when I finished it, I realized the A was the
same as 3-33,33:
http://contradances.tumblr.**com/post/10510984149/ants-**marching<http:/…
It's gone over well, and has an easier finish. There's one move to
teach very carefully. (I uh ... sorta created a variation of a
left-hand-high-right-hand-low that goes into a swing ... called a Loop
Di Doo). It's been picked up by a few other callers, so, I know it's
not totally awful.
in dance,
Ron T Blechner
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
another one instead of altering that one?
Michael Barraclough
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to progress, just have the
> Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next neighbor. Some
> in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance 3-33-34.
>
> Dave Colestock
> New Cumberland, PA
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
>
> I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women
> ID the next neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After
> that, they get a better feel for the area to aim for to find the new
> neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented dancers can really play havoc
> with this dance though. It's brittle.
>
> Kalia
>
> On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
>
>> 3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this great dance
>> recently
>> and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several
>> venues have
>> had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1
>> 1/2 to
>> the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have
>> trouble
>> finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
>> translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down
>> the line
>> of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande
>> right 1
>> 1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What
>> about a
>> ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left
>> and
>> then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
>> neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the
>> problem
>> that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> Rickey Holt
>>
>
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4 Jul
8:45 a.m.
New subject: Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
Hi Ron,
I just thought I'd let you know that I've called Ants Marching twice now,
and it has worked really well both times. I was worried because it has
several challenging moves but as you say, it works.
Dale
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ron T Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I wrote a dance that, when I finished it, I realized
the A was the
same as 3-33,33:
http://contradances.tumblr.com/post/10510984149/ants-marching
It's gone over well, and has an easier finish. There's one move to
teach very carefully. (I uh ... sorta created a variation of a
left-hand-high-right-hand-low that goes into a swing ... called a Loop
Di Doo). It's been picked up by a few other callers, so, I know it's
not totally awful.
in dance,
Ron T Blechner
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I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a
classic.
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>From: Michael Barraclough <michael(a)michaelbarraclough.com>
>Sent: Jun 20, 2013 5:25 PM
>To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
>Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
>
>There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
>another one instead of altering that one?
>
>Michael Barraclough
>
>
>
>On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
>
>> Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to progress, just have the
Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next neighbor. Some
in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance 3-33-34.
>>
>> Dave Colestock
>> New Cumberland, PA
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
>> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
>>
>> I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women
ID the next neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After
that, they get a better feel for the area to aim for to find the new
neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented dancers can really play havoc
with this dance though. It's brittle.
>>
>> Kalia
>>
>> On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
>> > 3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this great dance
recently
>> > and noticed that dancers of various
experience levels in several
venues have
>> > had trouble with the transition in
the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1
1/2 to
>> > the balance with the next neighbor
that starts the dance. They have
trouble
>> > finding that next neighbor, even
after several times through, and
with
>> > translating the momentum of crossing
the set to that of up and down
the line
>> > of the first part of the dance. I
tried substituting an allemande
right 1
>> > 1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the
original with little effect. What
about a
>> > ladies allemande right about 1 1/2
to a next neighbor allemande left
and
>> > then starting the dance again with a
balance by the right with that
>> > neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the
problem
> that I have seen. As always, thanks for your
thoughts.
>
> Rickey Holt
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New subject: Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
Michael, I guess that question should be directed at the person who first crafted the
variation and called it 33334, not me. I actually learned that version first. Then I
learned the original. And in my notes and card the variation had that name, but was
credited to SZA, as was the original. That was long ago, and I don't remember the
caller who called it, or where, but that is how I learned it. I'd be interested in
knowing who first came up with the variation and when it was introduced. And, I'd be
especially interested in Steve's comparison of the dances.
Bree, I don't disagree with you - 33333 is certainly a classic. But the dance The
Cherokee Shuffle, written by David Kaynor to the same named crooked tune, is also a
classic, and the modern version that many of us have danced is often credited to Robert
Cromartie, and that is the non-crooked version. If something works, it works. But even
some of the old classics have modern contemporary versions. The folk process at work,
again.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
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Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 5:35 PM
I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a classic.
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
another one instead of altering that one?
Michael Barraclough
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
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Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to
progress, just have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next
neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID the next
neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After that, they get a better feel
for the area to aim for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
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this great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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