25 Nov
2012
25 Nov
'12
2:25 p.m.
Oh, come on, folks. One of the contra dance traditions has been a small set of named moves
and, for the most part, directional names for any new moves. So, for example, we say,
"Pass through to an ocean wave," instead of "Pass the ocean." Please,
please fight any tendency to give obscure names for moves. If it is not descriptive, it is
not appropriate. And since I have never met Allen Ortep, I am quite sure that an
"Allen Ortep turn" would say absolutely NOTHING to me as a dancer. (Even if I
did know him, I suspect it would not tell me much. Seeing it in the dance below implies to
me that he thinks quite highly of himself, but it does not tell me how to dance. And I was
doing the two's variation in Petronella which uses a left turn back in the early 80s.
Nothing new there.)
Part of what caused a huge problem in the evolution of Modern Western Squares was the
introduction of many newly named figures in the early 60s. Every caller wanted to invent
the next great move. It moved the activity into a realm where you must take all those
lessons and keep dancing regularly to remember all the fancy names.
Keep it simple, keep it folk, keep it welcoming.
Beth Parkes
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Callers] How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Things change slightly with this dance by Allen Ortep......
Allen Ortep's First Contra Becket Counter Clockwise
A1 Star left
Right and left through on right diagonal
A2 Long lines forward, on the way back, partners roll away with a 1/2 sashe
Circle right 3/4, pass through along set by left shoulder
to meet couple passed during the right and left of A1
B1 Balance and swing this neighbor.
B2 Allen Ortep turn (balance in a circle, then move as an individual
to the left one place in the circle while twirling counterclockwise)
Partners swing.
25 Nov
25 Nov
2:42 p.m.
New subject: !RE: How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Well stated, Beth.
Yours,
Dave Harvey
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 2:25 PM, beth(a)hands4.com <beth(a)hands4.com> wrote:
Oh, come on, folks. One of the contra dance traditions
has been a small
set of named moves and, for the most part, directional names for any new
moves. So, for example, we say, "Pass through to an ocean wave," instead
of "Pass the ocean." Please, please fight any tendency to give obscure
names for moves. If it is not descriptive, it is not appropriate. And since
I have never met Allen Ortep, I am quite sure that an "Allen Ortep turn"
would say absolutely NOTHING to me as a dancer. (Even if I did know him, I
suspect it would not tell me much. Seeing it in the dance below implies to
me that he thinks quite highly of himself, but it does not tell me how to
dance. And I was doing the two's variation in Petronella which uses a left
turn back in the early 80s. Nothing new there.)
Part of what caused a huge problem in the evolution of Modern Western
Squares was the introduction of many newly named figures in the early 60s.
Every caller wanted to invent the next great move. It moved the activity
into a realm where you must take all those lessons and keep dancing
regularly to remember all the fancy names.
Keep it simple, keep it folk, keep it welcoming.
Beth Parkes
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Callers] How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Things change slightly with this dance by Allen Ortep......
Allen Ortep's First Contra Becket Counter Clockwise
A1 Star left
Right and left through on right diagonal
A2 Long lines forward, on the way back, partners roll away with a 1/2
sashe
Circle right 3/4, pass through along set by left shoulder
to meet couple passed during the right and left of A1
B1 Balance and swing this neighbor.
B2 Allen Ortep turn (balance in a circle, then move as an individual
to the left one place in the circle while twirling
counterclockwise)
Partners swing.
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4:07 p.m.
New subject: !RE: How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Perfectly stated - although I note (curiosity) that the "Alan Ortep turn moves to the
left rather than the right. I still agree with the "simplicity" perspective.
And I like to keep the old dances a little familiar by using the turn Petronella at least
some of the time.
Dorcas Hand
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Of David Lawrence Harvey
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:42 PM
To: Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] !RE: How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Well stated, Beth.
Yours,
Dave Harvey
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 2:25 PM, beth(a)hands4.com <beth(a)hands4.com> wrote:
Oh, come on, folks. One of the contra dance traditions
has been a
small set of named moves and, for the most part, directional names for
any new moves. So, for example, we say, "Pass through to an ocean
wave," instead of "Pass the ocean." Please, please fight any tendency
to give obscure names for moves. If it is not descriptive, it is not
appropriate. And since I have never met Allen Ortep, I am quite sure that an "Allen
Ortep turn"
would say absolutely NOTHING to me as a dancer. (Even if I did know
him, I suspect it would not tell me much. Seeing it in the dance below
implies to me that he thinks quite highly of himself, but it does not
tell me how to dance. And I was doing the two's variation in
Petronella which uses a left turn back in the early 80s. Nothing new
there.)
Part of what caused a huge problem in the evolution of Modern Western
Squares was the introduction of many newly named figures in the early 60s.
Every caller wanted to invent the next great move. It moved the
activity into a realm where you must take all those lessons and keep
dancing regularly to remember all the fancy names.
Keep it simple, keep it folk, keep it welcoming.
Beth Parkes
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Callers] How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Things change slightly with this dance by Allen Ortep......
Allen Ortep's First Contra Becket Counter Clockwise
A1 Star left
Right and left through on right diagonal
A2 Long lines forward, on the way back, partners roll away with a 1/2
sashe
Circle right 3/4, pass through along set by left shoulder
to meet couple passed during the right and left of A1
B1 Balance and swing this neighbor.
B2 Allen Ortep turn (balance in a circle, then move as an individual
to the left one place in the circle while twirling
counterclockwise)
Partners swing.
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4:37 p.m.
Beth wrote: "And since I have never met Allen Ortep, I am quite sure that
an "Allen Ortep turn" would say absolutely NOTHING to me as a dancer. (Even
if I did know him, I suspect it would not tell me much. Seeing it in the
dance below implies to me that he thinks quite highly of himself..."
I doubt very much that Beth (or anyone else) will ever meet Allen, which is
too bad, since he has such an interesting name. Should you spell Allen's
name backwards, you'll get petrO nellA. Seems to me that the author of the
dance was being creative with his words in addition to contra dance moves.
8-)
It does look like an nice dance, however. I'll try it out next time I call
to an appropriate group of dancers.
Taking Beth's point, however, I fully support her premise of keeping
terminology as simple and logical as possible. I'm likely to call something
like "Balance the ring and twirl to the left."
Mark Hillegonds
cell: 734-756-8441
email: mhillegonds(a)comcast.net
blog: www.defriction.com
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From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net
[mailto:callers-bounces@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of beth(a)hands4.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:25 PM
To: Michael Fuerst; Caller's discussion list
Subject: [Callers] !RE: How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Oh, come on, folks. One of the contra dance traditions has been a small set
of named moves and, for the most part, directional names for any new moves.
So, for example, we say, "Pass through to an ocean wave," instead of
"Pass
the ocean." Please, please fight any tendency to give obscure names for
moves. If it is not descriptive, it is not appropriate. And since I have
never met Allen Ortep, I am quite sure that an "Allen Ortep turn" would say
absolutely NOTHING to me as a dancer. (Even if I did know him, I suspect it
would not tell me much. Seeing it in the dance below implies to me that he
thinks quite highly of himself, but it does not tell me how to dance. And I
was doing the two's variation in Petronella which uses a left turn back in
the early 80s. Nothing new there.)
Part of what caused a huge problem in the evolution of Modern Western
Squares was the introduction of many newly named figures in the early 60s.
Every caller wanted to invent the next great move. It moved the activity
into a realm where you must take all those lessons and keep dancing
regularly to remember all the fancy names.
Keep it simple, keep it folk, keep it welcoming.
Beth Parkes
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Callers] How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Things change slightly with this dance by Allen Ortep......
Allen Ortep's First Contra Becket Counter Clockwise
A1 Star left
Right and left through on right diagonal
A2 Long lines forward, on the way back, partners roll away with a 1/2
sashe
Circle right 3/4, pass through along set by left shoulder
to meet couple passed during the right and left of A1
B1 Balance and swing this neighbor.
B2 Allen Ortep turn (balance in a circle, then move as an individual
to the left one place in the circle while twirling
counterclockwise)
Partners swing.
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4:44 p.m.
That is really fun, and clever - Alle Ortep to turn the Petronella to the left. I'm
glad someone noticed that!
Dorcas Hand again
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From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net [mailto:callers-bounces@sharedweight.net] On Behalf
Of Mark Hillegonds
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:38 PM
To: 'Caller's discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Callers] !RE: How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Beth wrote: "And since I have never met Allen Ortep, I am quite sure that an
"Allen Ortep turn" would say absolutely NOTHING to me as a dancer. (Even if I
did know him, I suspect it would not tell me much. Seeing it in the dance below implies to
me that he thinks quite highly of himself..."
I doubt very much that Beth (or anyone else) will ever meet Allen, which is too bad, since
he has such an interesting name. Should you spell Allen's name backwards, you'll
get petrO nellA. Seems to me that the author of the dance was being creative with his
words in addition to contra dance moves.
8-)
It does look like an nice dance, however. I'll try it out next time I call to an
appropriate group of dancers.
Taking Beth's point, however, I fully support her premise of keeping terminology as
simple and logical as possible. I'm likely to call something like "Balance the
ring and twirl to the left."
Mark Hillegonds
cell: 734-756-8441
email: mhillegonds(a)comcast.net
blog: www.defriction.com
-----Original Message-----
From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net
[mailto:callers-bounces@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of beth(a)hands4.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:25 PM
To: Michael Fuerst; Caller's discussion list
Subject: [Callers] !RE: How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Oh, come on, folks. One of the contra dance traditions has been a small set of named moves
and, for the most part, directional names for any new moves.
So, for example, we say, "Pass through to an ocean wave," instead of "Pass
the ocean." Please, please fight any tendency to give obscure names for moves. If it
is not descriptive, it is not appropriate. And since I have never met Allen Ortep, I am
quite sure that an "Allen Ortep turn" would say absolutely NOTHING to me as a
dancer. (Even if I did know him, I suspect it would not tell me much. Seeing it in the
dance below implies to me that he thinks quite highly of himself, but it does not tell me
how to dance. And I was doing the two's variation in Petronella which uses a left turn
back in the early 80s. Nothing new there.)
Part of what caused a huge problem in the evolution of Modern Western Squares was the
introduction of many newly named figures in the early 60s.
Every caller wanted to invent the next great move. It moved the activity into a realm
where you must take all those lessons and keep dancing regularly to remember all the fancy
names.
Keep it simple, keep it folk, keep it welcoming.
Beth Parkes
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Callers] How to Call a Petronella Turn?
Things change slightly with this dance by Allen Ortep......
Allen Ortep's First Contra Becket Counter Clockwise
A1 Star left
Right and left through on right diagonal
A2 Long lines forward, on the way back, partners roll away with a 1/2 sashe
Circle right 3/4, pass through along set by left shoulder
to meet couple passed during the right and left of A1
B1 Balance and swing this neighbor.
B2 Allen Ortep turn (balance in a circle, then move as an individual
to the left one place in the circle while twirling
counterclockwise)
Partners swing.
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