Hi Jeff,

              No, I mean horizontal force.  People don’t keep their own balance or their own weight, especially if they have been told to “give weight”!  They lean back or sideways or press back against the Leftie’s supporting right hand. That is what is tiring.  That pressure is often much greater than the centrifugal force.

            Happy dancing,

                   John                      

John Sweeney, Dancer, England   john@modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574

http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent

From: Jeff Kaufman <jeff.t.kaufman@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 March 2024 14:52
To: John Sweeney <john@modernjive.com>
Cc: Shared Weight Contra Callers <contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: Modified ballroom swing position: seeking more conversation and info

Hi John,

I think people may be using two different things by "support" here?  Julian and I, along with a few others in this conversation, are using "support" to mean a horizontal force, providing a counterbalancing force to resist the centrifugal force that would otherwise send the two people off in opposite directions.  I think you're interpreting "support" to mean a vertical force, which I agree you shouldn't need to provide.

If you're swinging quickly there really is quite a lot of centrifugal force.  Sometime I'd like to try getting some sort of scale involved to figure out how much!

Jeff

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 7:19 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

Hi all,

              You should NOT need to support the other person in a Swing.  If they are pulling away, leaning back or leaning sideways then take away your connection until they take responsibility for their own weight and balance.

              The shoulder-blade connection is purely to counteract centrifugal force.  That is not normally a lot of force, so it shouldn’t make you tired.  I Swing fast all night and never get tired arms because, having damaged shoulders, I never let the other person make me support them.

              I completely agree that the Rightie shouldn’t try to reach the Leftie’s shoulder-blade.  See six reasons why at http://contrafusion.co.uk/LadysLeftHand.html

              For good Swing technique please see http://contrafusion.co.uk/Contra.html#swinging

              Not everyone agrees with everything I say (but I think physics does!). :-)

            Happy dancing,

                   John                      

John Sweeney, Dancer, England   john@modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574

http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent

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