It's interesting to note that raven has other connotations. In the Pacific Northwest, especially among the Native Americans and First Nations, the raven is very important in history, legend, and culture, but not necessarily in a good way. The raven character is a trickster, someone who cannot be completely trusted, powerful but also possibly to be feared. Totem poles often include the raven in their designs. Tribes are sometimes separated into camps that are defined by the raven.

Much more on the cultural meaning of this word (which is very interesting):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Tales

For a community that got bent out of shape over the word "gypsy", it would seem consistent to respect the word "raven".

Woody Lane

On 8/2/2019 12:35 AM, Colin Hume via Callers wrote:

I still prefer Man and Ladies (and I'm aware this is old-fashioned and inconsistent), but I certainly prefer Robins to Ravens.
I think of a Raven as a large bird, and since men are generally larger than women I get confused!  I think of a Robin as a
small bird (though maybe the American Robin is larger than the English Robin).

Colin Hume