It really doesn’t make much difference in this case since the domino will take 8 beats if there’s 8 beats left.  I was just curious about 10 for the square through - in English dancing we do have eight beat circular heys (like “Collier’s Daughter”)  but the convention is usually not to take hands on those fast ones, so it’s more like a mini weave the ring. On the other hand contras have a lot of interrupted square through where there’s a four-beat balance and a four-beat square through 2, so it can be done.

— Alan

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On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Rich Sbardella <richsbardella@gmail.com> wrote:

The Callerlab timing chart has square thru taking 10 beats from a static square and 8 beats from (closer( facing couples such as they would be after the heads star thru. 

In the following square I would allow 10 beats.

Heads Lead Right & Circle to a Line,
Lines F&B
2 ladies Chain Across and Back
Has Square Thru 4  (This square thru is from a line of four that is at the sides static position.
Corner Swg & Promenade

In the square, below, I would use 8 beats for the second square thru.

Heads Sq Thru 4 (10)
RH Star (8), LH Star (8)
Corner DSD (6), Sq Thru 4 (8)
Can Swg (8), Promenade (16)

In this square the dancers start the second square thru nose to nose rather than across the set.

Most contra would be starting a square thru from across the set, so 10 is a good number, if it starts after a balance, 8 would be wiser.

Rich







On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tom Hinds via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I’ve mulled over the timing of square through 4 for some time.  10 is what I’ve come up with after walking it through in my living room and more importantly watching the dancers do it in dances I’ve written.

Much depends on where you end and start and also on formation (squared set or contra) because of the spacing.

As an example, in The Amazing Sara Wilcox the square through three from lines facing across into lines facing out comfortably takes 8 steps.  In other situations maybe square through 3 could be done in 6.

Some may say that square through two (followed by a balance) takes 4, so a square through 4 would take 8.  My way of thinking is that the longer and more complicated the figure, the more you have to give the dancers some extra beats.  And square through 2 in 4 beats is a bit rushed.

Try it out during a break at your next dance and let me know what you come up with.



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> On Sep 8, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Alan Winston <winston@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> Tom —
>
> Why is the square through 4 10 beats? 
>
> — Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Tom Hinds via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> Jean, nice dance.  Let us know how it goes if you try it out.  I would be surprised if your dance has been written before.  You list it as a double progression.  Is that because you swing the second neighbor?
>>
>> You gave me an idea for a new dance.  I’m not trying to out do any one here, just very much enjoy writing dances.
>>
>> Lunch with Jean
>> Improper
>>
>> A1. Bal. P, square through 2
>>   Bal P, box the gnat
>>
>> A2. With new neighbors, square through 4 (going in the opposite direction as the first square through and starting by giving right hand to partner, 10 beats)
>>   With original neighbor do si do, (6)
>>
>> B1 Men allemande left 1/2 (or pull by) swing partner
>>
>> B2  Right and left through, ladies chain.
>>
>> Tom Hinds
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Jean Gibson-Gorrindo via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Callers!  Around the breakfast table at Penelope Weinberger’s house this morning, while on tour with Cloud Ten, I came up with this dance.  Wrote it with the Sam Bartlett tune Penelope’s Cruise (also written for Penelope Weinberger) in mind.   Wondering if it is already out there?  Thanks for your input!
>>>
>>> Jean Gorrindo
>>>
>>> Breakfast at Penelope’s
>>> by Jean Gorrindo
>>> Contra/Improper/Easy-Int/Double Progression
>>>
>>> A1 -----------
>>> (8) Partner R-Hand Balance; Square Thru (pull by Partner with Right, Neighbor Left)
>>> (8) Partner Balance & Box the Gnat
>>> A2 -----------
>>> (16) Neighbor balance and swing
>>> B1 -----------
>>> (8) Women allemande Right 1-1/2
>>> (8) Partner swing
>>> B2 -----------
>>> (8) Long lines, forward and back
>>> (8) Women's Chain
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