Just getting back to this thread, lots to catch up on.

Jeff and Ron:  You both seem like the statisticians here.  Is there any data that reflects where in the country the LGBTQ gender-free dances are and where the communities that use gender-free terminology are? 

Just curious.

Ron:  When you say that local dances attendance is down is there data about that compared to dances where attendance is not down?  Again, looking for information country wide or even geographic area.

Donna Hunt

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Kaufman via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Ron Blechner <contraron@gmail.com>
Cc: callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2017 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Callers] Another vote for "jets" and "rubies"

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Ron Blechner <contraron@gmail.com> wrote:
> If that's the case, one would assume there are also plenty of traditional
> venue dancers who don't care either way. To that effect, genderfree roles
> are not as scary as some have claimed.

Sure, I think that's probably true. But I think the most likely
possibility is "most people don't care that much" not "several
thousand dancers want it".

> Dances using gents/ladies up and down the East coast are dwindling in
> attendance. I'm hearing that from nearly every organizer I speak with.

I'm not disputing this (though I also don't have firsthand evidence of
it) I just don't think gender free terms are *causing* the attendance
change, as opposed to both attendance changes and gender free naming
being caused by an underlying factor.

> I don't understand discounting new dances at all. If there was a demand for
> a genderfree dance, and it was filled, how is that not proof of growth of
> overall genderfree dancing?

The dances that have been gender free for decades and the dances that
have recently one gender free are pretty different. The older dances
have a community, culture, and core that formed several decades ago to
be LGBT/queer spaces, while the newer gender free dances are mostly
mainstream dances in a modern mainstream that is much more queer

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