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Today's Topics:
1. Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance (Aahz via Callers)
2. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance (Aahz via Callers)
3. 4 person do-si-do? (Luke Donforth via Callers)
4. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Tom Hinds via Callers)
5. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
(Aahz Maruch via Callers)
6. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Aahz Maruch via Callers)
7. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
(Bill Olson via Callers)
8. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Hilton Baxter via Callers)
9. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Rich Sbardella via Callers)
10. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Don Veino via Callers)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:27:22 -0800
From: Aahz via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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Howdy,
I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm
busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership
Conference:
http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/
If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far
away to make sense. ;-)
There will be 100+ college students. The theme for this year's
conference is "diversity", and they would prefer a caller who can fit the
theme in addition to having experience with one-night-stand environments.
I've offered to be a filter so that they don't need to deal with the
responses, so please respond privately to me if you're interested and
available. I've already explained that booking will be somewhat
difficult both because of the relatively short notice and because it's
Ralph Page weekend.
I probably will also be sending out an e-mail blast to people I have
addresses for, apologies if you get this twice. They have already
contacted other callers so you may actually get three copies...
--
Square/Contra Caller http://caller.aahz.ws/
<*> <*> <*>
"Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad."
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:10:45 -0800
From: Aahz via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote:
I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm
busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership
Conference:
http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/
If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far
away to make sense. ;-)
Someone pointed out that I should at least have mentioned that this is
California.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 05:45:27 -0500
From: Luke Donforth via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: "Callers@Lists.Sharedweight.net" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s.
Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test
things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight...
Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
Doubled-si-do
Four Facing Four
A1 -----------
(4) Give and Gents take (up and down)
(12) Neighbor swing
A2 -----------
(8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in
(8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x
B1 -----------
(8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x
(8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x
B2 -----------
(16) Partner balance and swing
End facing line of direction
In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
chain.
Thoughts?
Thank you
--
Luke Donforth
Luke.Donforth@gmail.com <Luke.Donev@gmail.com>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:55:12 -0500
From: Tom Hinds via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Luke Donforth <luke.donev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Callers@Lists.Sharedweight.net" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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Luke,
There have been times when I've tried new ideas and the dancers
figured out an easier way. Or said differently they saw through the
complexity and thought it was not worth the effort. I'm not saying
this is true for your dance but it's something to be prepared for.
In terms of timing I'd guess that the 4 person do-si-do is going to
take more than 8 beats.
Tom
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:10:56 -0800
From: Aahz Maruch via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote:
I've offered to be a filter so that they don't need to deal with the
responses, so please respond privately to me if you're interested and
available. I've already explained that booking will be somewhat
difficult both because of the relatively short notice and because it's
Ralph Page weekend.
Thanks to the several people who told me about Contra Carnivale, that's
proof I'm currently out of the loop on the contra side. ;-)
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:22:40 -0800
From: Aahz Maruch via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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On Tue, Dec 01, 2015, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:
Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
In the normal duple improper formation, a four-person do-si-do is called
zigzag, there are lots of dances with that. But that's not what you're
doing here.
In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
chain.
From my POV, that's a four-person gypsy. Or maybe the square dance
equivalent would be promenade inside the ring. The key element of
do-si-do is facing the same direction during the movement (modulo the
contra variant of a spinning do-si-do or square dancing's highland fling)
and ending up facing the same direction at the end.
I recently saw a square dance caller struggle with explaining Walk Around
the Corner (which is square dancing's equivalent of gypsy) and See Saw,
failing to mention either of the "easy" ways of getting across the
concept:
* keep your shoulder toward the person you're walking around
* exactly the same thing as an armless allemande
Anyway, there are probably several ways to call what you want, but I
think that do-si-do ain't one of them. ;-)
--
Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
<*> <*> <*>
Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:04:53 +0000
From: Bill Olson via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Aahz <caller@aahz.ws>, "callers@lists.sharedweight.net"
<callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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I think most people figured that one out! Go Cardinals!! Win PAC 12 title!
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:10:45 -0800
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote:
I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm
busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership
Conference:
http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/
If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far
away to make sense. ;-)
Someone pointed out that I should at least have mentioned that this is
California.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:10:16 -0500
From: Hilton Baxter via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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I wrote a dance with a 4 person do-si-do and have called it a few times.
Whoever has to travel from the far corners will need an extra couple of
beats, so it's good to have a "soft" figure after the do-si-do for 4, so
the folks arrive late (men, in your dance, Luke) can catch up somewhat
gracefully.
As for treating it as a gypsy for 4, in my dance people liked going
forward and then twirling away to the right and back to place. This was
probably because it gave some ccw movement to contrast cw turns
elsewhere in the dance. To teach the figure, I've had dancers do a RH
star "but just pretend to touch" then walk through with twirls over L
shoulder.
Hilton Baxter
On 12/1/15 10:22 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 01, 2015, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:
Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
In the normal duple improper formation, a four-person do-si-do is called
zigzag, there are lots of dances with that. But that's not what you're
doing here.
In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
chain.
From my POV, that's a four-person gypsy. Or maybe the square dance
equivalent would be promenade inside the ring. The key element of
do-si-do is facing the same direction during the movement (modulo the
contra variant of a spinning do-si-do or square dancing's highland fling)
and ending up facing the same direction at the end.
I recently saw a square dance caller struggle with explaining Walk Around
the Corner (which is square dancing's equivalent of gypsy) and See Saw,
failing to mention either of the "easy" ways of getting across the
concept:
* keep your shoulder toward the person you're walking around
* exactly the same thing as an armless allemande
Anyway, there are probably several ways to call what you want, but I
think that do-si-do ain't one of them. ;-)
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:08:28 -0500
From: Rich Sbardella via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Luke Donforth <luke.donev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Callers@Lists.Sharedweight.net" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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Luke,
In modern square dance a left hand star without hands is simply called
promenade inside. By definition a right hand star w/o hands would be a
reverse promenade inside. Both would take 8 beats/steps to accomplish in a
square, and probably close to eight beats in a mescolanza.
I do not quite understand your comment about the women, as they will all
have to adjust there walk around to accomodate for the last women into the
"handless star" or promenade.
Unless I am misunderstanding your concept, this does not resemble a dosido
in any fashion, and I believe using that term might muddy the use of Dosido
and As Couples Dosido.
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s.
Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test
things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight...
Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
Doubled-si-do
Four Facing Four
A1 -----------
(4) Give and Gents take (up and down)
(12) Neighbor swing
A2 -----------
(8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in
(8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x
B1 -----------
(8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x
(8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x
B2 -----------
(16) Partner balance and swing
End facing line of direction
In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
chain.
Thoughts?
Thank you
--
Luke Donforth
Luke.Donforth@gmail.com <Luke.Donev@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:21:00 -0500
From: Don Veino via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Luke Donforth <luke.donev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Callers@Lists.Sharedweight.net" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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With respect to Tom's prior comment about dancers substituting the simplest
interpretation sometimes, I think this dance could have that apply.
Up through the A2 Ladies Chain you are in lines of four facing
configuration (as opposed to square). If the Dosidos happen in two groups
of 2 (parallel traditional Dosidos) up and down then that formation is
maintained, timing is proven and the Circle entry still has the same
inertia.
-Don
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s.
Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test
things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight...
Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
Doubled-si-do
Four Facing Four
A1 -----------
(4) Give and Gents take (up and down)
(12) Neighbor swing
A2 -----------
(8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in
(8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x
B1 -----------
(8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x
(8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x
B2 -----------
(16) Partner balance and swing
End facing line of direction
In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
chain.
Thoughts?
Thank you
--
Luke Donforth
Luke.Donforth@gmail.com <Luke.Donev@gmail.com>
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