[Musicians] Musicians Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3

Tim Ball timothy.ball.violin at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 09:28:08 PDT 2017 

Emily,

Ross's Reel #4 seems a good change tune for Hull's Victory to me, and
Cracking Chestnuts (David Smuckler and David Millstone's excellent book)
agrees - they specifically mention that the melody emphasizes balances in
the same part of the dance as Hull's Victory.

The book in question is available from CDSS, and is a great resource!

https://www.cdss.org/vm-store/books/cracking-chestnuts-detail

Cheers,

Tim Ball

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> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:54:03 -0500
> From: Emily Addison <emilyladdison at gmail.com>
> To: Erik Hoffman <erik at erikhoffman.com>
> Cc: Emily Addison <emilyladdison at gmail.com>,
>         "musicians at sharedweight.net" <musicians at sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation
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> Wonderful Erik!
> I'll dig up Saddle the Pony.
> As well as us doing lots of modern things, we'd like to work up 5-6
> Chestnuts and play them within the tradition. :) :)
> Emily
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Erik Hoffman <erik at erikhoffman.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > It is traditional to play the tune. In the old days it would have been
> > just the tune. When medlies became normal, the modern standard is:
> > Signature Tune, Other Tune, last two or three times: Signature Tune
> again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Saddle the Pony has been used by a number of bands, since it was used as
> > an alternate tune on the New England Chestnuts LP.
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW: I?m glad you?re doing this. I always find it funny when callers say,
> > ?as in Rory O?More,? and when I look around I find 99 percent of the
> people
> > have no idea what Rory O?More is?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > ~Erik
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Musicians [mailto:musicians-bounces at lists.sharedweight.net] *On
> > Behalf Of *Emily Addison via Musicians
> > *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:49 AM
> > *To:* musicians at sharedweight.net
> > *Subject:* [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation online
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > A question for you about general etiquette on posting recently composed
> > tunes (as in last 20-30yrs).
> >
> >
> >
> > I've seen MANY MANY recently composed tunes online through websites like
> > The Session but also contra websites too.  Often these are posted by
> > someone other than the composer and it's not listed as to whether they
> have
> > permission to post.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here in Ottawa, our community band (we're not pros and play almost all
> our
> > gigs for free.), we're working on learning a varied contra music
> repertoire
> > for dancing.  In fact, our community band is called 'Stolen Goods' as
> we're
> > about learning from others.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been thinking that it would be nice to post our sets online as part
> > of the wider sharing so that others can benefit... just like we've
> > benefited from looking at what others (like SPUDS) have posted.
> >
> >
> >
> > What's the etiquette here?
> >
> >
> >
> > For instance, we play a handful of Keith Murphy tunes and he's got books.
> > And we have Larry Unger and others too...
> >
> >
> >
> > If we post a few is that ok?  Seems that's what others do, especially in
> > irish and quebecois traditions but I'm just not sure as some of the
> contra
> > musicians have tune books.  Could refer to a few tune books.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, we've written out a few sets from other bands (e.g., one from Wild
> > Asparagus) as we're trying to learn from their groove/chord lines etc.
> and
> > we are just a local learning band that plays for 20 dancers.   If we only
> > have 1-2 from a particular band, are those ok to post?
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking for your thoughts!
> >
> >
> >
> > By no means do I need to post of course... ... .just interested in giving
> > back to the wider community what we've been learning over the last number
> > of years.
> >
> >
> >
> > With thanks :)
> >
> > Emily Addison in Ottawa
> >
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> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:59:15 -0400
> From: Jeff Kaufman <jeff at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> To: Emily Addison <emilyladdison at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sarah Gowan <ladysmyth at rcn.com>, musicians at sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation
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> For the BIDA open band tune list [1] I've just put up copies of the
> tunes on the list.  If someone were unhappy to have their tune out
> there I'd definitely take it down.  These are all very widely played
> tunes so I doubt anyone minds.
>
> In general, I think even if an author has a very economics focused
> view of tune distribution and is trying to maximize profits they
> should still be fine with people playing their tunes at dances and
> passing around the notation: the more people play a tune and build up
> arrangements the more people put it on their CDs and the more composer
> royalties you get.
>
> Jeff
>
> [1] https://www.bidadance.org/open-band-tune-list though we're in the
> process of updating it
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Emily Addison via Musicians
> <musicians at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> > Hi Sarah,
> >
> > This is VERY helpful information and sounds like a great way to proceed!
> > BTW - SPUDS is one of my very favourite places to go look for new
> material
> > for our community band... we love experimenting and reaching ever further
> > and without the internet (and my buying MANY MANY MANY tune books), it
> would
> > be hard to do that as we're relatively isolated up here in Ottawa.
> >
> > Thanks :)
> > Emily
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Sarah Gowan <ladysmyth at rcn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Emily-
> >>
> >> I?m the curator of the SPUDS online tune library - I?m so happy to hear
> >> other groups find our site useful! It?s my policy to ask composers (if
> >> known) if we have permission to post their tunes. Some, like Bob
> McQuillen,
> >> gave us free reign to arrange them how we wish and freely post any of
> their
> >> tunes. Others prefer only certain tunes or ask that we include contact
> and
> >> licensing information. Beware that trad tunes aren?t necessarily exempt.
> >> Some people are very proprietary about their arrangements. I removed a
> >> version of a traditional tune from one of my sites because a musician
> >> recognized his arrangement and wanted credit. I didn?t get it from his
> book,
> >> but also didn?t want the hassle, so it was easier to simply take it
> down and
> >> use a different version.
> >>
> >> If there are a hundred versions of a tune online already, I generally
> >> don?t get too anxious about reposting. If there are none or maybe one, I
> >> definitely ask. You can?t assume that because one site has posted them,
> that
> >> it?s ok for you to do the same. Some groups, like Princeton, avoid
> copyright
> >> problems by password-protecting access to their files so only group
> members
> >> can use them. They still ask composers if it?s ok to post, though.
> >>
> >> From the composer side - I?ve had people post some of my compositions
> and
> >> the only time I get annoyed is when they don?t include my name or try to
> >> sell them. (Yes that really happened). But I make most of my tunes
> freely
> >> available online anyway and I?m not trying to make a living as a
> musician.
> >>
> >> Hope this is helpful,
> >>
> >> Sarah
> >> https://www.thursdaycontra.com/~spuds/TuneLinks.html
> >>
> >> On Oct 30, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Emily Addison via Musicians
> >> <musicians at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> A question for you about general etiquette on posting recently composed
> >> tunes (as in last 20-30yrs).
> >>
> >> I've seen MANY MANY recently composed tunes online through websites like
> >> The Session but also contra websites too.  Often these are posted by
> someone
> >> other than the composer and it's not listed as to whether they have
> >> permission to post.
> >>
> >> Here in Ottawa, our community band (we're not pros and play almost all
> our
> >> gigs for free.), we're working on learning a varied contra music
> repertoire
> >> for dancing.  In fact, our community band is called 'Stolen Goods' as
> we're
> >> about learning from others.
> >>
> >> I've been thinking that it would be nice to post our sets online as part
> >> of the wider sharing so that others can benefit... just like we've
> benefited
> >> from looking at what others (like SPUDS) have posted.
> >>
> >> What's the etiquette here?
> >>
> >> For instance, we play a handful of Keith Murphy tunes and he's got
> books.
> >> And we have Larry Unger and others too...
> >>
> >> If we post a few is that ok?  Seems that's what others do, especially in
> >> irish and quebecois traditions but I'm just not sure as some of the
> contra
> >> musicians have tune books.  Could refer to a few tune books.
> >>
> >> Also, we've written out a few sets from other bands (e.g., one from Wild
> >> Asparagus) as we're trying to learn from their groove/chord lines etc.
> and
> >> we are just a local learning band that plays for 20 dancers.   If we
> only
> >> have 1-2 from a particular band, are those ok to post?
> >>
> >> Looking for your thoughts!
> >>
> >> By no means do I need to post of course... ... .just interested in
> giving
> >> back to the wider community what we've been learning over the last
> number of
> >> years.
> >>
> >> With thanks :)
> >> Emily Addison in Ottawa
> >>
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> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:09:57 -0500
> From: Emily Addison <emilyladdison at gmail.com>
> To: musicians at sharedweight.net
> Subject: [Musicians] Another Chestnut tune question
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> Hi All,
>
> One more question from me!  This one about another Chestnut Dance... Hull's
> Victory.
>
> The first tune we plan to do is Hull's Victory which makes sense. :) :)
>
> However I'd like to do another tune after and Ross's Reel #4 sounds really
> good.  ... ... my concern is I think this has been associated with another
> chestnut dance??? ???
> Thoughts?
>
> And any tunes you traditionally associate with Hull's Victory (the dance)?
>
> Thanks!
> Emily
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