[Musicians] Musicians Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4

Tue Apr 25 11:10:51 PDT 2017

Hi fellow dance musicians :)

I feel so guilty for not responding back in late February as I asked the
question about how to share rhythm grooves among band members.  I was
swamped with work and our toddler and am finally catching up on all things
volunteer including band stuff.  Apologies!

Anyway, I really appreciated Erik, Yaron, Meg and Sarah's comments.  I'm
just getting back onto how to work with our community band on this so I'll
start with Sarah's idea on a few folks beginning with the groove and
building from there.  We've tried that in the past and I think what we
really need to do is work on the listening part!!!!

:) Thank you!
Emily

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>    1. Re: Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms
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> The 123-123-12 rhythm appears in Middle Eastern, Balkan, and African music;
> I would more than suspect that its occurrence in contra dance music has
> come mainly via the African route, both via the slave influence in
> Appalachian music and via the hippy/funky influence in modern contra.
>
> The klezmer/Romanian 123-123-12 has a different inflection to it - a
> different articulation - the late great Balkan dance/int'l folk dance
> teacher Dick Crum called it a "Get your Papers Here" rhythm - more of a
> 2;1,2;1,2 articulation than a 3;3;2 articulation.
>
> ...Unless the rhythm you're thinking of is the rock-n-roll
> boom-chuckboom-boomchuck - in which case we're back to the African
> influence...
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> - Yaron
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> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Erik Hoffman via Musicians <
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> > Hi Max & All,
> >
> > Interesting that you learned the 3-3-2 rhythm as Klezmer.
> >
> > - Klezmer rhythm (123-123-12)
> >
> >
> > So many of the people I've studied from say the 3-3-2 came from Africa.
> It
> > has invaded many other genres. When I first learned about it (other than
> > the clave), it came at me three times in one year:
> >    * A bunch of fiddle bowings used in Old-Time Appalachian tunes (highly
> > slave influenced)
> >    * A doumbek rhythm (an Arabic drum)
> >    * In hamboning--body rhythm with African roots, from when slaves had
> > their drums taken away.
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> > Erik Hoffman
> > Oakland, CA
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> Yaron,
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> Thanks for this distinction. I?m going to play around with these
> differences.
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> ~Erik Hoffman
> Oakland, CA
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> Subject: Re: [Musicians] Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms
>
> The 123-123-12 rhythm appears in Middle Eastern, Balkan, and African
> music; I would more than suspect that its occurrence in contra dance music
> has come mainly via the African route, both via the slave influence in
> Appalachian music and via the hippy/funky influence in modern contra.
>
> The klezmer/Romanian 123-123-12 has a different inflection to it - a
> different articulation - the late great Balkan dance/int'l folk dance
> teacher Dick Crum called it a "Get your Papers Here" rhythm - more of a
> 2;1,2;1,2 articulation than a 3;3;2 articulation.
>
> ...Unless the rhythm you're thinking of is the rock-n-roll
> boom-chuckboom-boomchuck - in which case we're back to the African
> influence...
>
> - Yaron
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Erik Hoffman via Musicians <
> musicians at lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:musicians at lists.sharedweight.net>>
> wrote:
> Hi Max & All,
>
> Interesting that you learned the 3-3-2 rhythm as Klezmer.
>
> - Klezmer rhythm (123-123-12)
>
>
> So many of the people I've studied from say the 3-3-2 came from Africa. It
> has invaded many other genres. When I first learned about it (other than
> the clave), it came at me three times in one year:
>    * A bunch of fiddle bowings used in Old-Time Appalachian tunes (highly
> slave influenced)
>    * A doumbek rhythm (an Arabic drum)
>    * In hamboning--body rhythm with African roots, from when slaves had
> their drums taken away.
> __
>
> Erik Hoffman
> Oakland, CA
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