<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_8280"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6195">I didn't catch the difference, Don - see clearly now: a right pull by to a left arm turn move is a chain to and allemande of the same person. Yup!</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_8405"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6195"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_8426"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6195">Bob <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6342"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6195"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6341"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6195"></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6165"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6201" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6200"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6199"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6198"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6197" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6196" size="1"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_8110"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_8109">From:</span></b> Don Veino <sharedweight_net@veino.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Robert Livingston <rlivngstn@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Don Veino via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 14, 2017 12:19 AM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6344"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6343">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6204"><br><div id="yiv5128523939"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6207"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6206">Hi Robert,<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6254"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6205">I may be totally missing the point but, in <i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6340">Just Because</i>, the chain and allemande are with *different* people. I agree that's a common bit of choreography with a well established history - particularly so in squares.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6253"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6257">In the dance I referenced (and how I interpreted - perhaps erroneously - the original request), the person you chain to and the person you allemande with are the *same* people, and the moves proceed directly from one to the other for more than a minor fraction (see below).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6209"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6210">I'm happy to let go any claim to uniqueness for this approach, should it matter. We all just add little bits to the foundations we've inherited.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6220"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6221">Thanks,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6230">Don</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6229"><h1 class="yiv5128523939entry-title" style="border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;clear:both;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:1.3em;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6228"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6231" size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Greenfield Tornado – Becket – Don Veino 20161218</font></h1></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6233"><div style="border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6232"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6327" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">A1</strong><br clear="none">Left Diagonal Slice & Take to Gent’s Side (Neighbor Swing)<br clear="none">[First time can be straight across Give & Take; Alternate A1 = Diagonal Circle Left 3/4, N Swing]</font></div><div style="border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6323"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">A2</strong><br clear="none">Ladies Chain (to P)<br clear="none">Partner Allemande Left 1+1/2x</font></div><div style="border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6339"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">B1</strong><br clear="none">Full Hey, Gents Pass Right to start</font></div><div style="border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6338"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">B2</strong><br clear="none">Partner Balance & Swing</font></div><div style="border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51);" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6328"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6329" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>End Effects</b>: Wait out crossed over on Left Diagonal at ends.</font></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492145312065_6334">(Note: as covered in my blog post on this dance, the same sequence but for the A2 was independently done previously by Linda Leslie as her dance <i>Greenfield Storm</i>. I modified my dance title as shown to honor hers, once I became aware of it.)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5128523939yqt2034408286" id="yiv5128523939yqt61708"><div class="yiv5128523939gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5128523939gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Robert Livingston <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rlivngstn@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rlivngstn@yahoo.com">rlivngstn@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv5128523939gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_6948">Don..and all,</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7017"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7018">Dover, VT, in a square dance; "Just Because" Ted Glabach, caller:</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7019"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_6873"><span id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7102">A1 Head Ladies Chain - Back</span></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7089"><span id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7101">A2 Sides...the same<br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_6874"><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7155"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7156">B1 Allemande Left on the Corner (8)<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7157"> come home and Swing with Your Own (8)<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7160">B2 Take the Corner maid and we'll all Promenade (8)</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7268"> Because, just because (8)</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7269"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7283">Tag B3 Because, just because</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7333"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7391">Not a modern era dance, not in contra formation, but still in play.</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7414"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7429">Bob Livingston<br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yahoo_quoted" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7043" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7042" style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7041" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7040"> <font id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7039" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7038" size="1"> <b id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7416"><span id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7415" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Don Veino via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net">callers@lists.sharedweight. net</a>><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7405"><span id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7404" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Don Veino via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net">callers@lists.sharedweight. net</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:51 PM<span class="yiv5128523939"><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)<br clear="none"> </span> </div> <div class="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731y_msg_container" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7161"><div><div class="yiv5128523939h5"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yiv2555904932"><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7164"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7163">In case anyone might be under the assumption that I'd claimed to have invented the Ladies Chain or similar... :-)<div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7162"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7165">My understanding of the context of the original post was looking for a modern era dance featuring Ladies Chain with Courtesy Turn, proceeding directly to a full Allemande Left with the same person. That's the sequence in my dance I referenced (and haven't encountered elsewhere before).</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7170"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7410">Fascinating and informative Chain history thread please continue...</div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7166"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7167">-Don</div></div></div></div></div></div><span class="yiv5128523939"></span><div class="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yqt7384997243" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yqtfd63834">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">Callers mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7435" ymailto="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net">Callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5128523939m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7434" target="_blank" href="http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net">http://lists.sharedweight.net/ listinfo.cgi/callers- sharedweight.net</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>