<div dir="ltr">Hi Robert,<div><br></div><div>I may be totally missing the point but, in <i>Just Because</i>, the chain and allemande are with *different* people. I agree that's a common bit of choreography with a well established history - particularly so in squares.</div><div><br></div><div>In the dance I referenced (and how I interpreted - perhaps erroneously - the original request), the person you chain to and the person you allemande with are the *same* people, and the moves proceed directly from one to the other for more than a minor fraction (see below).</div><div><br></div><div>I'm happy to let go any claim to uniqueness for this approach, should it matter. We all just add little bits to the foundations we've inherited.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Don</div><div><h1 class="entry-title" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;clear:both;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:1.3em"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Greenfield Tornado – Becket – Don Veino 20161218</font></h1></div><div><p style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">A1</strong><br>Left Diagonal Slice & Take to Gent’s Side (Neighbor Swing)<br>[First time can be straight across Give & Take; Alternate A1 = Diagonal Circle Left 3/4, N Swing]</font></p><p style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">A2</strong><br>Ladies Chain (to P)<br>Partner Allemande Left 1+1/2x</font></p><p style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">B1</strong><br>Full Hey, Gents Pass Right to start</font></p><p style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><strong style="background:transparent;border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">B2</strong><br>Partner Balance & Swing</font></p><p style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;border:0px;margin:0px 0px 24px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>End Effects</b>: Wait out crossed over on Left Diagonal at ends.</font></p></div><div>(Note: as covered in my blog post on this dance, the same sequence but for the A2 was independently done previously by Linda Leslie as her dance <i>Greenfield Storm</i>. I modified my dance title as shown to honor hers, once I became aware of it.)</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Robert Livingston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rlivngstn@yahoo.com" target="_blank">rlivngstn@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_6948">Don..and all,</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7017"><br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7018">Dover, VT, in a square dance;  "Just Because"  Ted Glabach, caller:</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7019"><br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_6873"><span id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7102">A1  Head Ladies Chain  - Back</span></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7089"><span id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7101">A2  Sides...the same<br></span></div><div class="m_-2885431698145520731qtdSeparateBR" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_6874"><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7155"><br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7156">B1 Allemande Left on the Corner  (8)<br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7157">      come home and Swing with Your Own  (8)<br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7160">B2  Take the Corner maid and we'll all Promenade  (8)</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7268">       Because, just because  (8)</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7269"><br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7283">Tag  B3  Because, just because</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7333"><br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7391">Not a modern era dance, not in contra formation, but still in play.</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7414"><br></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7429">Bob Livingston<br></div><br></div><div class="m_-2885431698145520731yahoo_quoted" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7043" style="display:block">  <div style="font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7042"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7041"> <div dir="ltr" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7040"> <font id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7039" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7038" size="1"> <b id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7416"><span style="font-weight:bold" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7415">From:</span></b> Don Veino via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.<wbr>net</a>><br> <b id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7405"><span style="font-weight:bold" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7404">To:</span></b> Don Veino via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.<wbr>net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:51 PM<span class=""><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)<br> </span></font> </div> <div class="m_-2885431698145520731y_msg_container" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7161"><div><div class="h5"><br><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yiv2555904932"><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7164"><div dir="ltr" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7163">In case anyone might be under the assumption that I'd claimed to have invented the Ladies Chain or similar... :-)<div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7162"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7165">My understanding of the context of the original post was looking for a modern era dance featuring Ladies Chain with Courtesy Turn, proceeding directly to a full Allemande Left with the same person. That's the sequence in my dance I referenced (and haven't encountered elsewhere before).</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7170"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7410">Fascinating and informative Chain history thread please continue...</div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7166"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7167">-Don</div></div></div></div></div></div><span class=""><div class="m_-2885431698145520731yqt7384997243" id="m_-2885431698145520731yqtfd63834">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br clear="none">Callers mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7435" target="_blank">Callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net" id="m_-2885431698145520731yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492130205435_7434" target="_blank">http://lists.sharedweight.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/callers-<wbr>sharedweight.net</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></span></div> </div> </div>  </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>