<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6589">This is interesting; because I have gone to walking/teaching Ladies Chain without turning as a couple in just this way...</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6588">just ladies give right and left to the gent. The gents-side turn her around keeping the lady's-side on your right to stay,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7057" dir="ltr"> or over and back the same way. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6680" dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6807">Walked this last Saturday at a Vermont Grange where the floor was part One Night Stand dancers and part seasoned traditional</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6878">"eastern" singing call dancers. No problems.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7306"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7333">Bob Livingston</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7334">Middletown, CT<br></div><br><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6411"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6409" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6408"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6407"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6406"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6405" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6716" size="1"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6404"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_6403">From:</span></b> John Sweeney via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> callers@lists.sharedweight.net <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:09 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7459"><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7463">Hi All,<br></div><div dir="ltr"> Ladies' Chain to Allemande Left is actually the original version of<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7462">the Ladies' Chain! I believe that the Courtesy Turn was added sometime late<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7468">in the 19th century, or maybe in the first half of the 20th century.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7458"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7460"> Prior to that the "Chaine des Dames" was always danced as Ladies<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7469">Pull By Right, Allemande Left the Man You Meet - and always there and back<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7472">again.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7528"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7529"> It occurs in countless dances over the last few hundred years, going<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7530">back to the 18th century quadrilles and probably earlier.<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1492125111919_7531"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> The Ladies' Chains in Chestnut contras were probably danced that way<br></div><div dir="ltr">originally.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> Of course If the man maintains that Allemande position he will end<br></div><div dir="ltr">up facing the wrong way in most dances. So he will usually have to make a<br></div><div dir="ltr">quick turn to his left at the end of the Allemande. I find it quite hard to<br></div><div dir="ltr">persuade the men NOT to touch the lady with their right arm. Many ECD<br></div><div dir="ltr">dances contain this move and I understand that some American ladies hate it<br></div><div dir="ltr">when the man guides her with his right arm.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> So, between the two extremes of the man ending up facing out, and<br></div><div dir="ltr">the man putting his right arm around the lady, you have the compromise of<br></div><div dir="ltr">starting the Allemande normally, but then the man turning towards the lady<br></div><div dir="ltr">as the move ends - this is known in some circles as a Polite Turn.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Happy dancing,<br></div><div dir="ltr">John<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">John Sweeney, Dancer, England <a ymailto="mailto:john@modernjive.com" href="mailto:john@modernjive.com">john@modernjive.com</a> 01233 625 362<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.contrafusion.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.contrafusion.co.uk </a>for Dancing in Kent<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">Callers mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net" href="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net">Callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net" target="_blank">http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net</a><br></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>