<div dir="ltr">A view on "up and down" ladies chains from the UK side of the pond:<div><br></div><div>Whilst they are rare in the US, in the UK we quite often do Sicilian Circles. Almost any contra can be danced as a Sicilian, and it's interesting to compare how dances feel when the formation is changed. In a Sicilian, the "orientation" in which you perceive the minor set shifts by 90 degrees from contra, with the result that chains up and down the set feel like chains across (and vice versa). It occurs to me that there may be "poor" contra dances that work well as Sicilians, and vice versa.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeremy</div><div><a href="http://www.barndancecaller.net">www.barndancecaller.net</a></div><div><a href="http://www.genderfreedance.net">www.genderfreedance.net</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 April 2017 at 15:47, Ric Goldman - Letsdance via Callers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7194813446966877937WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Martha,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Interesting idea about transitions and poise points. I’m working on a dance with transitions I <b>think</b> are interesting, but worry they could be too jarring (have not tried it on human salt shakers yet). Here’s the first part:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Start: improper<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A1 1-4 Ladies chain up and down set to neighbor, courtesy turn (at end releasing right hand, hold on to the left, facing each other across the set)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 5-8 Swat the flea<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A2 1-8 (turn up/down the set to) Balance and swing partner<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One possible way to “smooth” the transition from the courtesy turn might be to release the right hand early and use left hands to turn the lady under (clockwise, lady turn right) before going into the balance for the swat, but I resist having it be a forced twirl. Perhaps folks would “discover” that on their own.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What other transistions or poise points do folks find interesting?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanx, Ric Goldman<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:letsdance@rgoldman.org" target="_blank">letsdance@rgoldman.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Callers [mailto:<a href="mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers-bounces@lists.<wbr>sharedweight.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martha Wild via Callers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 10, 2017 11:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Caller's discussion list <<a href="mailto:callers@sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@sharedweight.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Callers] Does this dance already exist?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, all. Actually, I think the transition from the petronella to the ladies chain is a good one. There are certain moves in dancing, that I’ve heard called “poise points,” where one purposefully switches direction, and it can be very satisfying. For me, the spin to the right feels like the winding up of a spring that you then unleash in the other direction. Some dances that look as if they have good flow end up having so much clockwise spin that it tires people.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.<wbr>net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Esther,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> If anyone has not mentioned it, I feel there is a kink in the flow trying to go from a petronella to a chain. As you spin R, it is the left hand which feels available as you face the set because your body has been rotating clockwise, even as it move CCW around the minor set. So there will be this washing machine action to get into the chain. You might be counting on the claps to arrest that movement, but I still feel it's not an especially satisfying entry into the chain. A gents chain, otoh, would be peachy.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What, to you, is the hook in this dance? What were you going for? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Sent from my external brain<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Esther Fraser via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.<wbr>net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">Hey folks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">Has anyone seen this dance already?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">A1: Balance the ring & petronella<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"> Ladies Chain<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">A2: Full Hey, Ladies pass R (16)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">B1: Ladies Chain<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"> P Allemande L<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">B2: Balance the ring & Petronella<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"> Balance the ring & California twirl<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into Allemande Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen it somewhere, but I can't remember where.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#212121">Esther Fraser<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Callers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">Callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net" target="_blank">http://lists.sharedweight.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/callers-<wbr>sharedweight.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Callers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">Callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net" target="_blank">http://lists.sharedweight.net/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/callers-<wbr>sharedweight.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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