<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">As long as you're opening this line of thought, here's some more thoughts:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Should we thus also say that every circle L / star R to circle R / star L transition has equally no place in contra? Because that's even more of a pronounced shift in rotational direction. (To be clear: with same neighbors, not as a transition.) </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I can imagine a counter-point would be noting that the swing is unique because it's a tighter rotation, and so it's not the same as stars/circles.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But then how do we explain the frequency of dances with swing to ladies allemande right / ladies pass right to start a hey? It's absolutely ladies going from clockwise swing rotation to moving the opposite direction.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Or how about some other frequently used transitions (from most frequent)?:</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Chain / R+L Thru to circle left. (Common, and a change in vector for both roles)</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Chain/star promenade to Face Next neighbor, DSD/"Gypsy"/Allemandes R with that new neighbor. (Less common, but I dance one of these every few weeks, on average.)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Contra Corners dances where ladies role has to make both a hand and direction change (like... Chorus Jig)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And maybe the answer someone might give is "these are all bad flow". Yet people seem to like many dances with them in it. I would be interested to find out why.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In dance,</div><div dir="auto">Ron</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 14, 2017 11:41 PM, "Bob Isaacs" <<a href="mailto:isaacsbob@hotmail.com">isaacsbob@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I respectfully disagree. As long as we swing in a clockwise direction, the swing/circle R transition will flow poorly for both roles, and should have no place in any contra dance -
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bob Isaacs<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Callers] Another dance-check zig-zag R dance</font>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">I dance the ladies role enough where I feel I can confidently assert</span> that swing -> circle R is as difficult for gents as swing -> circle L is for ladies. Either way, one person is unfolding from
the swing opposite from the rotation of the subsequent circle.
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<div dir="auto">The bigger objection to flow is simply that it's a circle right that is from a standstill, and people don't dance many circle rights. (But we dance plenty circle lefts from a standstill.) In this case, I'm interested in the circle R as something
to fill a second-half-of-evening slot where I often have need for dances that are fairly easy but not the same old circle lefts, swings, stars, chains, and allemandes.</div>
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<p>Two transitions in this dance I find troubling. The R and L through/gents allemande is awkward for the gents, whose L hand is occupied in the courtesy turn of the R and L through. This can be avoided by 1/2 hey (GL, PR, LL, NR), gents allemande L 1 1/2
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<p>But swing/circle R?</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:49:10 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Callers] Another dance-check zig-zag R dance</font>
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<div dir="auto">So, this is a cross between Jeff Spero's Kiss the Bride and Rick Mohr's Rockin' Robin:
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<div dir="auto">A1. N DSD (6)</div>
<div dir="auto"> NS (10)</div>
<div dir="auto">A2. R+L Thru (8) (across)</div>
<div dir="auto"> Gents Alle L 1.5x (8)</div>
<div dir="auto">B1. P Meltdown Swing (16)*</div>
<div dir="auto">B2. Circle R 1.25x (10)</div>
<div dir="auto"> Zig R, Zag L (6) (to next Ns)</div>
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<div dir="auto">I was futzing with Kiss the Bride and this came out. I'd like to give credit if it's been written, or pick a name if not. </div>
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<div dir="auto">In dance,</div>
<div dir="auto">Ron Blechner</div>
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