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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">I, too, agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">I think of a dance by Bill Cochran:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">Third Friday<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">A1: Neighbor Balance & Swing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">A2: Down Hall 4 in Line, turn as couples, return<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">B1: Women Chain over & back<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">B2: Balance & Square Through 2, twice, starting with Partner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">This might have been the first dance with the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7"> Partner: Balance, Pull by, Neighbor Pull By,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7"> Partner: Balance, Pull by, Neighbor Pull By to progress<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">Being a modern contra dancer, I wanted to add a partner swing, so, for a dance I called the
<b>Second Third Friday</b>, crediting Bill Cochran, my version went:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">A2: Men Allemande Left 1-1/2, Partner Swing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">B1: Right & Left Through across; Women Chain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">Later I found Tony Parkes had the same idea, and came up with
<b>Friday Night Fever</b>, also crediting Bill Cochran. His version is the same as mine, with one (better) idea:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">B1: Partner Promenade, Women Chain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">And, his adaptation preceded mine. So now I just call
<b>Friday Night Fever</b>…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">Sometimes, though:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">I’ve come up with a major alteration Gene Hubert’s wonderful dance,
<b>The Nice Combination<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">A1: Neighbor Balance & Swing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">A2: Circle Left ¾; Partner Swing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">B1: Hey, Women start Right shoulder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">B2: Women Chain, Star Left<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">And I usually introduce it as a major variation of
<b>The Nice Combination</b>…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">I’ve got many “Innominate,” dances, or “unnamed.” Many are just glossary dances as David Kaynor suggests.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:#2111F7">~Erik Hoffman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Olson via Callers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Neal Schlein <nschlein@gmail.com>; Dave Casserly <david.j.casserly@gmail.com>; callers@lists.sharedweight.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Callers] Pre-existing dance?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Yep, I agree..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Callers <<a href="mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net">callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net</a>>
on behalf of Dave Casserly via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Neal Schlein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> callers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Callers] Pre-existing dance?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding attribution, I like the way David Kaynor puts it on this website: "Some of my dances are "compositions" only in the loosest sense of the word; they fall into the category
of "glossary" contras which basically amount to minimally imaginative resequencing of ordinary contra dance elements. Do such dances…especially if conceived spontaneously in a teaching/calling situation… qualify as "compositions?" Maybe. Maybe not."
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I'm in the maybe not camp. They're not protected by any copyright here (at least in my view, which has generally been shared by most people on this list when the topic comes up
on occasion). I don't call regularly; most of the time when I call dances, I'm doing so late at night after a singing event or at somebody's house or at a more-or-less spontaneous outdoor gathering, where I don't have dance cards with me. I know several
dances by name and memory, but most of the dances at such events are things I've made up on the spot. I am almost certain that every single one of these dances is a progression I have danced before at some point in the past, and that somebody has written
and put their name on Partner Balance and Swing, Circle Left 3/4, Neighbor Swing, Long Lines, Ladies Chain, Left-Hand Star, New Neighbor Do-Si-Do. Good for whoever that person is, and if it's a catchy title, that can be a useful way for us to refer to that
particular glossary dance. But I wouldn't call it a composition, and I certainly wouldn't feel like I need to research whoever wrote that dance and the title and attribute it to that person.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Where I differ from Neal is that I don't really want a dozen people to be putting their name on that above dance I just made up (after I've danced it many times already, after somebody
else made it up, etc). It's just not interesting enough of a sequence to be worth attributing at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">It gets a bit tougher when we're talking about dances that, when written, were really compositions, adding something new or fresh to the repertoire, but could now be considered
glossary dances because of how common those figures have become in modern contra dances. But that's not the case for most of the dances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">-Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Neal Schlein via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">As someone with an academic background in the field of Folklore, the way we talk about attribution and authorship bothers me.
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(NOTE: what I'm talking about here is distinct from trying to track down the source of a dance you collected somewhere, or according respect to the first person to dream up a sequence. Both of those goals are entirely legitimate.)<br>
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The dance Luke described was created by him, not Mark Goodwin. The sequence happens to be the same as one dreamed up by Mark Goodwin at a previous place and time, which is very important to know, but Luke's creation was independent and should be attributed
to Luke. If we attribute everything to the first person ever to dream up a sequence, we are grossly misrepresenting how dances are created and spread.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">When we attribute Luke's dance to Mark, we are saying that Luke (and everyone else) got the dance from Mark, or from a source tracked back to Mark. That is factually incorrect
in this case; Luke can point to when and why he came up with the dance. Legally, it would also mean we are claiming that Mark holds the only legitimate copyright claim, which is again both incorrect and total nonsense (as copyright usually becomes when applied
to folk genres).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">As both an academic and participant in our tradition, I want to know if many people independently came up with the same dance (making it a FOLK DANCE). Otherwise, I am falsely
giving credit and responsibility to a single creative genius. The difference between those two is a significant matter in the question of how folklore is created and who owns it. Personally, I feel our cultural tendency to accord authorial rights has misled
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So please...if you came up with a dance put your name on it along with some of the details---and then tell me who else came up with it, too. Don't just stick their name on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Neal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Neal Schlein<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Currently reading:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks. I'll attribute it to Mark Goodwin. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Michael Barraclough via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I have that exact dance as To Wedded Bliss by Mark Goodwin (2014). I use that in my Lesson and then, after teaching ladies chain and right & left through, follow that with my dance
The Lesson (2009) which is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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(8) Neighbor Do-si-do<br>
(8) Neighbor swing<br>
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(8) Ladies chain<br>
(8) Long lines, forward and back<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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(8) Right & left through<br>
(8) Partner promenade across<br>
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(8) Circle Left 3/4<br>
(4) Balance the Ring<br>
(4) Pass through<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">and yes, I know it doesn't have a swing - it's in the lesson and I want to minimize the use of partner swings so that new couples don't get bad habits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Mon, 2016-10-17 at 22:45 -0400, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I was thinking about what I do at the "welcome to our contra dance" introduction, and what dance would easily move in to that. Noodling around with
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A1 -----------<br>
(8) Neighbor Do-si-do<br>
(8) Neighbor swing<br>
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(8) Men allemande Left 1-1/2<br>
(8) Partner swing<br>
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(8) Promenade across the Set<br>
(8) Long lines, forward and back<br>
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(8) Circle Left 3/4<br>
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are lots of great accessible dances with that (The Big Easy, Easy Peasy, etc), but I'm not seeing one with a partner promenade (something I also use in the introduction; to go from a big circle to lines of couples for a contra set).
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