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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A description of how to capture the actual originator (not just the list) sent to Dave off-list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanx, Ric<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Callers [mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Casserly via Callers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 04, 2016 6:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Caller's discussion list <callers@sharedweight.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Callers] here it is - sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also don't want to read any more of Michael's replies, particularly on this issue (but also on others: see the comparing shadow swings to groping, etc). Several people have asked him to stop, but he won't. But I don't think "this list isn't working" just because some of us think one person is rude.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe others disagree, and find his comments helpful. Great! To each their own. But I can't figure out a way to block receiving his emails without also blocking quite a bit of other traffic on this list. Has anybody else been able to do so? Moderators, would this be a feature that could be added?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p>I'm really tired of personal attacks here on Shared Weight, and a high percentage comes from one person.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I've asked Michael Fuerst to not contact me again. I've already cut down my usage, but if we can't trade ideas without having them called "bizarre" and "absurd", then this list isn't working.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 4, 2016 1:56 AM, "Michael Fuerst" <<a href="mailto:mjerryfuerst@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mjerryfuerst@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Ron:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>"</span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust)."</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Maybe you do. No one else uses such bizarre logic. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Conbtradancers as a group are about as left of center and non-discriminatory in their beliefs as any non-political group gets.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Your suggestion is absurd</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 <a href="tel:217%20239%205844" target="_blank">217 239 5844</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:38 PM, Ron Blechner <<a href="mailto:contraron@gmail.com" target="_blank">contraron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>That article had a few interesting *new* points, for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>1. That Roma are in the US, not just Europe, and face continued discrimination.<br>2. That Roma in the US often don't speak up about their identity out of fear of discrimination.<br>3. That perhaps the use of "gypsy" as a term isn't as bad as non-Roma self-identitying as "dance gypsies". Roma wander because they are persecuted or can't find work. When we talk about "dance gypsies" beig wandering from place to place, we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Apr 1, 2016 10:03 AM, "via Callers" <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I was thinking that very thing, but didn't have any experiences. Something I read recently pointed out that Romani people in Spain proudly refer to themselves as "Gitano" which translates to Gypsy. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>This is issue is not as cut and dry as many of us would like it to be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks for sharing this story.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>******************************************************************************************************<br>Amy Carroll<br><a href="mailto:amy@calleramy.com" target="_blank">amy@calleramy.com<br></a>206-330-7408<br><a href="http://www.calleramy.com/" target="_blank">http://www.calleramy.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On April 1, 2016 at 9:02 AM Rich Sbardella <<a href="mailto:richsbardella@gmail.com" target="_blank">richsbardella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>There are still at least two sides to this argument. Although I am using the term less and less, I want to relate a recent experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I was dancing in one of MA biggest contra venues as a caller walked the a dance with a "two eyed" turn. A dancer in my line became more than a little upset, yelling it "it's a gypsy". Turns out the dancer is Romani, and the term "gypsy" is one he proudly owns. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I do not think the Roma people as a whole have come to a consensus. (For example, The Gypsy Kings proudly use the term as a reference to their heritage.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Rich Stafford<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Ms Carroll:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Quite frankly a fairly useless article for us. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Ms Raessi is "</span><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>a Romani/Métis researcher and activist" so it seems logical that she dislikes the term gypsy.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>She lists alleged myths stereotypes about Romani people</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Every ethnic group has an associated set of myths and stereotypes. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Every ethnic group tries to purge the negative stereotypes and retain the positive aspects of their heritage.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>Ms Raessi writes "many people find that using this term is wrong because it perpetuates misinformation about our origins"</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>This makes little sense. Anyone person bigoted enough to entertain any of her alleged stereotypes has no idea about the origins of Romani people.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>Ms Raessi writes "...the term has been used as a racial slur and is loaded with stereotypes ..."</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>Yes the word gypsy has been used to deprecate Romani people but over the years it evolved to mean a free-spirited or nomadic person.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>Other ethnic slurs (such as kike, chink, jap or nigger) have not similarly evolved, and thus their use remains offensive. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'>This article discusses some English words or idioms that evolved from ethnic slurs:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#444444'><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/offensive-words-_n_4144472.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/offensive-words-_n_4144472.html</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>The ongoing discussion during the past year of the word gypsy has included claims that some persons of Romani descent embrace gypsy and its positive aspects of current usage, most don't care, and some hate the word. And of course only those who object will speak out. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>As long the common usage of gypsy keeps evolving towards a free-spirited or nomadic person, keeping it in the contra lexicon seems appropriate</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'>Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 584</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:32 PM, via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://bellydanceu.net/culture/520/" target="_blank">http://bellydanceu.net/culture/520/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>"What's wrong with the Word 'Gypsy'?"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>******************************************************************************************************<br>Amy Carroll<br><a href="mailto:amy@calleramy.com" target="_blank">amy@calleramy.com<br></a>206-330-7408<br><a href="http://www.calleramy.com/" target="_blank">http://www.calleramy.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span 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