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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Before I commented I decided to google first, and I'm glad I did. I was not aware of the depth of hurt people feel about the word. <a href="http://gypsyappropriations.blogspot.com/2010/04/problem-with-word-gypsy.html" target="_blank">http://gypsyappropriations.blogspot.com/2010/04/problem-with-word-gypsy.html</a><div><br></div><div>But the offended person is correct in his/her assumption that the word is not used maliciously in contra dancing. <span style="font-size: 12pt;">I agree with cynthia. I do not consider the move flirty, merely friendly, a way of acknowledging that you are dancing with another person.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I'm sure people don't attribute much to the meaning, just as we don't think, "Oh, is this how they twirl in California?", or "Is the robin insane, or just pissed off?". We just joyously do the moves. Easy for me to say as a non-Romani, but maybe it is an opportunity to embrace the word as a positive thing</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">at least in this one context.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Brooks</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div><div><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">To: callers@sharedweight.net<br>Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:39:21 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy"<br>From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">While I did already know that the Romani people have been severely discriminated against and oppressed, I did not know that the term gypsy was considered offensive. So I will think further about that.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I would not be inclined to describe the move as “flirty”, however, because that is the aspect of the move that I already know makes some people not like it since dancers inclined to insensitive flirting sometimes take license with it. I prefer to let people add flirtatiousness or not on their own without encouragement and to describe the move only by its basic physical attributes.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Always good to take a fresh look at things.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Thanks for raising the question here.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">-cynthia</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose" target="_blank"></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Callers [mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy Wimmer via Callers<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 24, 2015 3:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> callers@sharedweight.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [Callers] Advice about "gypsy"</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Hello All,</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I taught a dance this evening that included a ladies' gypsy. I received the email below a few minutes ago. In teaching it I wanted to convey that it is a flirty, eye contact sort of move. This person was obviously offended. I am at a loss for how to respond, except to apologize for offending. </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I'm pretty sure I described the move accurately. I meant absolutely no offense. I didn't make up the name for the move, but don't want to make excuses. Does this move need a new name? How would you respond?</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">-Amy</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Seattle<br><br><br>Begin forwarded message:</p></div><blockquote style=""><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><b>Subject:</b> <b>First time at your event</b></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style=""><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">This evening, I came to one of your dances for the first time. I was impressed by the friendliness of the dancers, the quality of the musicians, and the overall fun of the dance.</p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">And then we got to a dance in which we were told we would be learning a step named after an offensive term for Romani people. And I felt uncomfortable. And then when the step was taught, it became clear that the term was so named based on stereotypes of Romani women as being overly sexual. And I became more uncomfortable. </p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">I assume that this was not done maliciously, but rather out of an unawareness of the ways that that term has been used to denigrate Romani people throughout history (much the same way that many other racial slurs have been used in the past by well-meaning people before they became aware that those terms were hurtful and harmful to those disadvantaged groups). </p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Nonetheless, it felt shockingly offensive to me, all the more so in the context of a community that appeared to be so welcoming and accepting. </p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Until that point, I had a very enjoyable time dancing at your event. I've been a dancer in a variety of communities for many years now, and aside from that issue, this was probably the best first experience I've had when meeting a new dance community. It was a shame that some presumably unintentional racial insensitivity had to ruin what was otherwise such a positive experience.</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>_______________________________________________
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