<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315153" dir="ltr">Thanks for your perspective. I guess that since the gents pass was the 4th pass in the hey then whatever is best to describe that you pass the N by the right shoulder (the gents pass is by the L in the center BTW - that's what GL means). In essence, to me, it FEELS like a continuation of the hey and then you pass N right to the next. I think the easiest is to say, half hey, pass N by the right up and down, and on to the next, gypsy and swing the next.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315306" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315313" dir="ltr">Perry<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3314919"><span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315028" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315027" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315026" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315060" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315030" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Andrea Nettleton <twirly-girl@bellsouth.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Perry Shafran <pshaf@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Ron Blechner <contraron@gmail.com>; callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 14, 2015 1:59 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Ye ole Does This Exist - Mad Robin 2 Hey dance<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315032" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2345424517"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315037"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315036"><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315035"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315034" style="">Hmm. Perry, I wasn't thinking the loop R was part of the hey at all, nor that the timing needed any adjustment. I do think that the half hey doesn't end with the gents in the center. Ron clearly wrote that the gents pass R in the center. That theoretically puts them at the side or nearly so, and heading that way. The ladies will be looping the back at that point. A loop R will feel like turning to a hey the line, especially for the ladies. My point is that it will take several iterations of the dance for dancers to remember to flatten it out as they travel toward the next N so they can gypsy R with them. If you told them to balance and swing, it would happen more easily, but I can see that Ron is trying to keep it glassy smooth. My experience suggests that whatever we intend, dancers will interpret "loop" with varying degrees of curve, many making it deep enough to spoil the transition to the R gypsy, unless the teach specifically prevents this. if you just told the gents to pass L in the middle, and continue to the side, then face the N and pass through to gypsy the next, the curve would evolve on its own as people danced it, and be just right. My opinion only.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315181"><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315099"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315098" style="">As for timing, no matter what you call it, I'm betting that loop is going to cross the phrase for many, and the new N gypsy will be short. Possibly, just looping to a new N Sw would work. Might be a long swing for some. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315229"><span style="">Best,</span></div><div><span style="">Andrea</span><br clear="none"></div>Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv2345424517yqt0497499335" id="yiv2345424517yqt19160"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315040"><br clear="none">On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Perry Shafran <<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315039" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pshaf@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pshaf@yahoo.com">pshaf@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315045" type="cite"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315044"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315043" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293848"><span id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293878">I would agree with that, although the 1/2 hey is over when the gents pass in the center, so it would be more like a 5/8 hey, with 2 beats of that hey coming in the A2. "Loop right" seems to be a way to avoid calling it part of the hey, and since it's the start of a new phrase, I can see why one would want to differentiate it from the hey. <br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3296918"><br clear="none"><span id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293878"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3296922"><span id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293878">Perry</span></div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293845" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293844" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293843"> <hr id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293842" size="1"> <font id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293855" face="Arial" size="2"> <b id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293876"><span id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293875" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Andrea Nettleton via Callers <<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315053" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>><br clear="none"> <b id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293873"><span id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293872" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Ron Blechner <<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315042" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:contraron@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:contraron@gmail.com">contraron@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 14, 2015 1:24 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Ye ole Does This Exist - Mad Robin 2 Hey dance<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv2345424517y_msg_container" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293857"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2345424517"><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293862"><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293870">Ron et al,</div><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293861"><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293860"><span id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293859" style="">In general, I really like this dance. That loop right will snag people at least a few times through though, in that it will make them want to gypsy L with the next, continuing the weave, when they need to make it feel like a pass through so their body flow can take them into a R gypsy. It might be worth pointing that out, or teaching them to finish the half hey face N, pass through R Sh . Just a thought.</span></div><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293868"><span style="">Andrea</span><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none">Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask</div><div class="yiv2345424517qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2345424517yqt2500191250" id="yiv2345424517yqt52770"><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3293866"><br clear="none">On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3296925" type="cite"><div id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3296924"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3296923">Hi callers,</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315207" dir="ltr">I was hoping this dance, or something very similar, might be identified:</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv2345424517yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3296927">Becket<br clear="none">
A1: Gents Alle L 1.5 (8)<br clear="none">
1/2 Hey (8) (NR, LL, PR, GL)<br clear="none">
A2: N Gypsy R 1/2 (2)* (to face next N)<br clear="none">
Next N Gypsy + Sw (14)<br clear="none">
B1: Mad Robin (8)**<br clear="none">
1/2 Hey (8) (GL, PR, LL, NR)<br clear="none">
B2: Gents Pass L (2)<br clear="none">
P Gypsy + Swing (14)</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441047835239_3315094" dir="ltr">* Been debating teaching / calling this as a gypsy or "loop right". I think either works, but ideas welcome.<br clear="none">
** Gents in front, CW</div>
<div dir="ltr">Thanks,<br clear="none">
Ron</div>
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