<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px"><div>Folks,</div><div><br></div>I have been reading all these emails and getting confused. Here is another idea. I am relatively new to contra calling but have called squares for nearly 25 years. Perhaps there are things that I do not understand.<div> <div>Could dancers/dance position simply be numbered?</div><div><br></div><div> After Hands four identify position/dancer 1 (first gent's position), going CCW next dancer position 2, next position 3, and last position 4. Then one role could be odds and the other evens.</div><div>The numbers could be assinged before rotating to a Becket position to keep thing consistent.</div><div>The caller can call 1 & 3 Allemande Left or the Odds Allemande Left. Odd Dancers Chain, Even dancers chain, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>All the odd dancers look left to find neighbor or corner, and look right to find partner, even dancers look right.</div><div><br></div><div>If my thinking is right the numbering will work with triplets.</div><div><br></div><div>A numbering system might be less "personal" than larks/ravens or gems/gets, and for that reason might be less attractive. A numbering system has worked in squares for years, but it refers to couples.. One & Three R&L Thru and first couple lead to the right are two examples.</div><div><br></div><div>Could something this simple work in contra?</div><div><br></div><div>Rich Sbardella</div><div>Stafford, CT</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Ric Goldman via Callers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but even in ECD the terminology for corners is subject to confusion.<span> </span>If folks have shifted from their original positions (for example after a “trade places with partner” move), a reference to “1<sup>st</sup> corners do such-and-such” is often met by a question from the dancers “is that people or places?”. <span> </span><span> </span>For example, if you’re facing across the set, and during a fwd-and-back, there’s a rollaway with a half sashay, would you call the person on the right the 1<sup>st</sup> corner (right diagonal based on the facing direction) or the 2<sup>nd</sup> corner (left diagonal based on where they were facing at the beginning of the dance).<span> </span>Therein lies the potential confusion.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I wonder what the impact of this would be on chaos contra with the additional position or role swappring mid dance.<span> </span>Of course, that’s the dancers’ conundrum, not the callers.<span> </span></span></font><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d"><span>J</span></span></font><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanx, <u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ric Goldman<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Callers [mailto:<a href="mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Perry Shafran via Callers<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 02, 2015 7:42 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Andrea Nettleton<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:callers@sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@sharedweight.net</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Another approach to Gender Free calling<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">After thinking about this I think I am starting to agree with Andrea in that corners (first & second) just might be the perfect term to use. In ECD, where most dances are proper, the first corner is gent 1 and lady 2, because in proper dances there are different genders on the diagonal. In an improper dance (most contra dances), there are same genders on the diagonal. So therefore the ladies would be in the first corner positions (same positions as in a proper English dance), and the gents are the second corners. In a swing, first corners end up on the right. I think by thinking about it this way you could do any dance, easy to challenging, with the corner terminology in place. Just substitute any incidence of "gents" in your choreography with "second corner" and "ladies" with "first corner". <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Perry<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Andrea Nettleton via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Michael Fuerst <<a href="mailto:mjerryfuerst@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mjerryfuerst@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:callers@sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@sharedweight.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:callers@sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@sharedweight.net</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 2, 2015 2:31 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Another approach to Gender Free calling</span></font><font color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Hey Michael,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I think you mean that those who began the dance as first corners, will always end swings on the right, just as they are standing relative to their partner in the hands four. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The dance is obscure to the dancers only to the degree the caller is unable to elucidate it. It may take effort for callers to learn to teach as effectively this way, but that doesn't make it less clear. When I called to the SFQCD, ninety percent of the dancers were men. Even with bands and bare arms, so as clear an indication of role as they could achieve, they struggled with who ends where after stuff. What if I could have given them the tool of knowing their corners, and in addition, the clear instruction to note carefully which hand they held when standing next to their partner? That would always be their connector hand when standing as a couple after swings, chains, and R&L thrus. The twofold active attention might have served them far better than the arbitrary labels. Understanding that the pattern of the dance depends on knowing your geography makes sense. Adding into that the need to remember a label doesn't improve the odds the geography will stick, at least it didn't there. In my opinion, looking for a person is less reliable than knowing your place in the dance. People mess up, but the place is always there.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">AN<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>On Jun 2, 2015, at 4:05 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">Consider this dance<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><pre style="background:white"><span><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">E.J.M.J.F. in Cincinnati</span></font></span><font color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>Duple Improper<span> </span>Michael Fuerst<span> </span>March, 1991<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">A1<span> </span>Balance and swing neighbor.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">A2<span> </span>Men allemande left 1 1/2 and swing partner.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">B1<span> </span>Long lines forward and back.<span> </span>Women chain to neighbor.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">B2<span> </span>Women allemande right (4).<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>1/2 hey, neighbors start passing left shoulder, until<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>neighbors on the side they started the dance (8).<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>Neighbors pass left shoulders and turn sharply left<span> </span>along set to meet new<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>neighbors (4).</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">Using this thread's suggestions, I think this becomes (as long as dancers understand that those starting as <b><span style="font-weight:bold">second corners</span></b> always end the swing on the right)</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><span><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">E.J.M.J.F. in Cincinnati</span></font></span><font color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>Duple Improper<span> </span>Michael Fuerst<span> </span>March, 1991<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">A1<span> </span>Balance and swing neighbor.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">A2<span> </span><span> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">First corners</span></b> allemande left 1 1/2 and swing partner.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">B1<span> </span>Long lines forward and back. <span> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Second corners</span></b> chain to neighbor.<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">B2<span> </span><span> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Second corners</span></b> allemande right (4).<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>1/2 hey, neighbors start passing left shoulder, until<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>neighbors on the side they started the dance (8).<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>Neighbors pass left shoulders and turn sharply left<span> </span>along set to meet new<u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><span> </span>neighbors (4)</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><pre style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">This makes the dance obscure to beginning and intermediate dancers.<span> </span>Seems best to have<span> </span>names corresponding to the men's and women's roles, rather than to have dancer's determine which corners they are at any point in the dance.<span> </span></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></pre><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black">Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 <a href="tel:217%20239%205844" value="+12172395844" target="_blank">217 239 5844</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Garamond"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 2:26 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Actually Alan, because we dance improper most frequently, and becket almost as much, I think I really don't want the labels applied to people so they stick. I'm just using the word corner the way Brooke and Chris use diagonal. In contra, we already have a use for the word diagonal, meaning the next pair along across the set to the right or left. The corner reference we have is actually close to right, probably having grown out of triple minor dances. Right diagonal is first corner, Left diagonal is second. Make it fit in a hands four and you have pairs of corners along opposite angles. It's a place not a person. Then I can write a dance beginning with a second corner chain, and it will be those formerly identified as gents, but will work totally fine. If the dance were proper, you could still have a second diagonals chain and it would be one of each 'role'. A direct transfer of the system to contra is not as useful as adapting, IMHO.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Andrea<br><br>Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>On Jun 2, 2015, at 3:07 AM, Winston, Alan P. <<a href="mailto:winston@slac.stanford.edu" target="_blank">winston@slac.stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I'm not Andrea but as someone who's appreciated the value of global calling since Chris and Brooke proselytized our West Coast English caller self improvement group about it in 2000 and who regularly uses it even in not gender free English as well as for gender free English I think I can answer. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The Heather and Rose style (which they didn't invent but have published the most in) is designed for proper longways. Men's line is left file, ladies line is right file. In a square or Becket formation gents place are first diagonals, ladies are second diagonals. Corner is reserved for contra corners and the immediate neighbor in a square. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">However, mainstream English gives us first corners (in a proper set, first gent and second lady) and second corners (first lady and second gent). If you apply that to a typical improper contra, as Andrea was suggesting, the ladies are on the first corners, the gents on the second corners. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The answer to each of your questions about how she'd indicate what we now do with gender is to substitute a corner reference. First corners make a wave in the middle of the set. They back up and second corners come in. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">You'd have to decide whether the same positional reference applies to becket, where it would be the gents, or have the corner assignments apply before you becketize, which would be my preference. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Does that clear it up ?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Alan<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br><br>Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>On Jun 1, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Andrea, how would you handle the following:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">1. Lines of one role/position to the center to a wavy line, as in Trip to Lambertville, et all?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">2. Indication of who walks forward / backs up in a gypsy star?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">3. Indication of who-leads-who, such as in Ramsay Chase, Pedal Pushers, Jurassic Redheads, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">4. Indication of who is passing while calling a hey.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">5. Indication of who crosses, who turns in a box circulate?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">6. Indication any other role/position specific move that I haven't mentioned? Turn over right shoulder, as in Fairport Harbour? Rollaways? <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">None of these fall under the "most unusual figures" as you stated.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Ron <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">On Jun 1, 2015 11:59 AM, "Andrea Nettleton via Callers" <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">In previous discussions here, on FB, and privately with organizers at Hampshire over the last two years, I have discussed the possible use of global terminology for gender free contra. I would contend that if used, everyone would become more aware of the structure of dances. Only the most unusual figures/sequences would be unable to be called. The addition of first and second corner positions to the arsenal makes it possible for same role dancers to also be called upon to dance together without reference to gender. Second corners chain, or first corners allemande L 1 1/2 for example. It would have to be agreed that this refers to those standing in those positions at that moment. In ECD we use first and second corners to refer to the people, first and second diagonals for the positions. But since we use diagonal to refer to those across and over one set, this seems unhelpful. Simply corner positions works better. I'm glad some folks are trying it out at last. I had hoped for an opportunity myself before now.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Andrea<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Jim Hemphill via Callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The recent discussions on this topic inspired me to try an experiment in gender free calling. Last night I called the contra dance in St. Louis using gender free calling without telling anyone. The experiment was a great success. I received lots of positive feedback on the evenings dance. At the break and after the dance I made a point to ask several dancers, some were callers as well, if they noticed anything different or unusual about the dances or how I taught them. One person noticed that there were more dances that included a swing in the center for couple 2 than usual. No one I talked to noticed that the calls and teaching were gender free.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">It took some extra time to construct a fun, diverse 3 hour program, but it is certainly possible. Re-labeling the dancers is not the only way to call gender free. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">If you are interested in the program I used or the larger collection of gender free dances I chose the program from, send me an email, <a href="mailto:arcadian35@gmail.com" target="_blank">arcadian35@gmail.com</a>.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" 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