<div dir="ltr">I agree with that most recent posting. There seem to be many sincere and earnest people out there who want to find the perfect solution for gender-free calling terms, but I doubt there will ever be consensus on this topic, and really, enough is enough. -Lewis Land</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 12:00 PM, susanelberger via Callers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr"><span>I do wonder whether this horse has been beaten to death. I doubt that there will be agreement, and that's fine. The topic has been on the list several times, and yes, I know I can ignore the postings, but enough seems to be more than enough.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><br> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Ron Blechner <<a href="mailto:contraron@gmail.com" target="_blank">contraron@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Amy Wimmer <<a href="mailto:amywimmer@gmail.com" target="_blank">amywimmer@gmail.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> susanelberger <<a href="mailto:susanma1950@yahoo.com" target="_blank">susanma1950@yahoo.com</a>>; callers <<a href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 29, 2015 3:10 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr">Care to branch off non-jet/ruby terms to a new email please?</div>
<div>On May 29, 2015 2:45 PM, "Amy Wimmer via Callers" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br><br></div><div><div><div>I kinda like suns and moons better than lots of the other alternatives, for the same reasons Susan lists. Also, there's Sun Dance and Moon Dance, by Robert Cromartie: gents swing in Sun Dance and ladies swing in Moon Dance. A precedence, perhaps?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-Amy<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none">On May 29, 2015, at 8:00 AM, susanelberger via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr"><span>I have used suns and moons for years, and prefer them because they have one syllable each, sound completely different from each other, and are easy for the dancers to remember. I have never had any issue arise about gender bias from them. The conversation about which gems to use does seem a bit too overthought to me.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Susan Elberger</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Lowell, Massachusetts</span></div><br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Delia Clark via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 29, 2015 6:52 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div>Okay, this conversation, plus the lunch table at the Puttin’ On the Dance Conference in Ottawa are FINALLY getting me to give up clinging to moons and stars (the only non-gender term I’ve ever used, which I have liked with families and have found works well, but which I understand is too gender-y to be acceptable as the solution we’re looking for - dang!). I am herewith committing to trying out Jets and Rubies next weekend at a dance I’m calling for a wedding of two women. Will report back.<div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div>On May 29, 2015, at 1:56 AM, P. Campbell via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><span></span></div><div></div></div></div><div><div>I like jets & rubies (and have used the terms) for a number of reasons. (Don't like gems for same reason about confusion).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>In a weird way, it's close enough to "lefts & rights" for me to have no trouble remembering who's who (with rubies starting with "r"), and, (apologies to those who might be offended), because it fits the same syllables for me as "gents & ladies" (which I use for historical dance) or "men & women".</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>For some reason I just can't get a feel for larks & ravens (I have an idea of why but not worth sharing), and I'm not at all comfortable using bands & bares.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>For me, it's whatever will be the easiest for me to remember which side is which, and if my brain is wired to think of "jets" (black color) as more masculine and "rubies" (red color) as more feminine (so easier for me to link them to left & right), that's my mental visual process. (I tried apples & oranges once with a group of kids - it was terrible because I couldn't remember which was which side - I have to have some frame of reference).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I think one of the reasons I have trouble with larks & ravens is because of having learned a foreign language that has a gender for nouns, and I want to make larks the right side and ravens the left, but then the syllable structure doesn't work for me. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>My 2 cents.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Patricia</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone<div><br clear="none">On May 28, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Alan Winston via Callers <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net" target="_blank">callers@lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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terms:</div><div dir="ltr">1. Do you like or dislike jets / rubies ?</div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div>
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Less good, because the soft "ms" would make the call less clear.
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