[Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10
tom hinds
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Sat Jun 29 11:55:59 PDT 2019
Thanks for all the good information.
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> 1. Re: Allemande (Jacob or Nancy Bloom)
> 2. Re: Allemande (JD Erskine)
> 3. Re: Allemande (John Sweeney)
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:33:40 -0400
> From: Jacob or Nancy Bloom <jandnbloom at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Allemande
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> The Lambertville ECD site is pointing to a copy of Samuel, Ann, and Peter
> Thompson's Twenty Four Country Dances for the Year 1782, on the Vaughan
> Williams Memorial Library website. There are a couple of things that the
> term "allemande" could mean in 1782, but the one that seems correct for
> that version of Away To The Camp would be danced as follows:
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> The couple link right elbows and then straighten out their right arms to
> reach their partner?s hand, while they hold left hands behind their backs.
> (For an allemand reverse they would reverse this and start by linking their
> left elbows.) They dance forward once around each other and return to
> their places. For the Thompsons' 1782 version of Away To The Camp I
> suggest that both Allemande and Allemande Reverse be done, that the
> footwork used be a skip-change step (which would have been called "chassee
> forward" in 1782), and that all three couples do the allemandes (although a
> case can certainly be made for only the active couple doing them.)
>
> If you are interested in dance from that era, check out the blog that my
> wife and I have at http://www.dancehistoryalive.com/blog/ We haven't
> written an article on Away to the Camp yet, but we'll try to do one soon.
>
> Jacob Bloom
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> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:02 PM tom hinds via Callers <
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>> John,
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>> Thanks so much for your hard work and sharing a tremendous amount of
>> information with us.
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>> There?s one allemande I?d like to know more about. It?s the one used in
>> the the dance, Away to the Camp which can be seen on the Lambertville ECD
>> site.
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>> Tom
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:45:24 -0700
> From: JD Erskine <island.dance at shaw.ca>
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>> On 2019.06.26 1402, tom hinds via Callers wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Thanks so much for your hard work and sharing a tremendous amount of information with us.
>>
>> There?s one allemande I?d like to know more about. It?s the one used in the the dance, Away to the Camp which can be seen on the Lambertville ECD site.
>>
>> Tom
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> Tom,
>
> Reading the link to the directions as published by Thompson I suspected
> which form of allemende it might be. If the interpretation as shown in
> the video is it, it is.
>
> I can't provide any history about it, however can mention it's described
> in Jim Morrison's book, "Twenty-Four Early American Country Dances :
> Cotillions and Reels for the Year 1976". Published by CDSS in that year.
>
> It is in a dance from that I enjoy calling and dancing called "Doubtful
> Shepherd." In fact it and "Away to the Camp" are remarkably similar for
> about 3/5 of either.
>
> From the glossary of figures in the back is this description,
>
> "allemand: Stand side by side with partner, right shoulders together,
> right arm extended, left arm behind back. Cross right arm inside
> partner's arm, right hand holding partner's left. Dance clock-wise in
> this position, usually once around (8 beats). As with most figures this
> is more fun if you look at your partner while dancing it."
>
> There are likely various ways to describe entering the movement. I've
> used several with good effect. We have fun with it and after a few
> nights with it included on a program (chiefly for that movement, oh and
> the music! AABBB and cheery*) dancers seem comfortable with or amused by
> it. I believe it's Kalia who calls it the "pretzel" move. <grin>
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> Seemingly, for the dances Morrison selected, it is danced solely
> clockwise. In that video for "Away to the Camp" it's also
> reversed/returned/matched by a CCW move. Based on the description for
> "Away to the Camp" at VWML I'd not venture to say their interpretation
> is correct or not.
>
> Cheers, John
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> * music may be heard here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czHfhByzvkI
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:45:07 +0100
> From: "John Sweeney" <john at modernjive.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Allemande
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> Hi Tom,
> As I say at the top of the page, "Allemande" is a popular word and has been used to mean many completely different things. For example Wilson, in 1816, used "Allemande" to mean a Dosido using three chasses, a jete and an assemble (polka steps then jump)!
>
> https://www.regencydances.org/paper001.php has lots more about the Allemandes of the period.
>
> The original instructions for "Away to the Camp" from Thompson in 1782 just say "Allemand with your partner" with no indication of what is meant by "Allemand". Away to the Camp would of course have been danced vigorously with stepping in 1782. Whoever reconstructed the dance at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5-IKvxubg choose one of the many interpretations of the word "Allemand".
>
> The Sottish still use that hold and call it a Tulloch Hold Swing, though they use it less now as it can be awkward. You can learn all about it at https://www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/tulloch-turn-grip.html and see it being danced at https://www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/videoclips/tulloch-turn.html.
>
> I often use it in contra dances if I have a good partner. I try to do a different swing each time through the dance, and use the Tulloch Hold as one of my swings if the dancer is good.
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> Happy dancing,
> John
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