[Callers] Ladies

[Mary Collins]

Ahem Tom...that would be "gender" lol....Seriously, being of the more
mature (and I use that term loosely) set, I find all these new names for
ROLES to be troublesome and tiresome.  Who exactly is a Lark & who exactly
are Ravens?  Because quite frankly I have mental pictures of both....from
literature and music and they could be as offending as gents & ladies or
women & men....not to try to start anything here.  I am just trying to
grasp something that seems to be just a wee bit beyond my reach.  Several
of my fellow traveling dance friends (of similar age) do not understand
these terms either.  Since I plan to be traveling and hopefully calling in
"your community" sometime, I'd really like to get a handle on this.

Mary "24" Collins

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On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Tom Hinds <twhinds at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks Angela.  If only we could easily change our gender so we could
> understand what it's like to be the other sex.
>
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> On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Angela DeCarlis wrote:
>
> Tom, I had this conversation with Sue Rosen this summer. Women who belong
> to the original Feminist generation (like Sue and, presumably, like Mary
> and Martha above) were involved in a cultural movement to abolish the word
> "Lady", along with its restrictive connotations, in favor of "Woman". The
> latter label, I understand, was one which lent more power and ownership to
> its wearers, and so was preferable. You could be however you were,
> "ladylike" or not, and still be a Woman. (others, please chime in if I've
> gotten anything wrong or missed anything!)
>
> My generation has an opposite problem: due to the modern-day Gender
> Revolution, wherein we seek to abolish the gender dichotomy, terms like
> "Woman" and "Man" feel too restrictive and denotative. "Lady" and "Gent"
> feel almost more comfortable to some, since they are words that are
> slightly more flexible, in some ways.
>
> One of the biggest problems for both groups, I think, is when the terms
> are used interchangeably.
>
> This is one of my favorite things to think about when it comes to role
> terms in dance today! I *love* our community's intergenerationality, and
> learning about each other through conversations like this!
>
> Eventually I hope to get around to writing in about the changes I've seen
> at BIDA since switching to Larks and Ravens at the beginning of the summer.
> It's been truly remarkable!
>
> 'Til then,
> Angela
>
> On Oct 14, 2017 9:26 AM, "Mary Collins via Callers" <
> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Martha, I dont recall this dance of which you speak. Could you share the
>> true title and calls? Thanks! I also cringe over ladies (I don't fit that
>> tradition) yet it is a good "place holder, ROLE identifer" for my
>> communities.
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2017 9:06 AM, "Tom Hinds via Callers" <
>> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I must have fallen asleep during a discussion of "ladies".  What's the
>>> issue?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Martha Wild via Callers <
>>> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I’ve got a gypsy star dance (I actually call it “Star Wrong” and not
>>> just because of the g-word, but because if you say “gypsy star” everybody
>>> starts to gypsy and NOT star, so I gave up on that confusing terminology).
>>> Haven’t seen another dance like it. The move from mad robin into the star
>>> wrong actually flows quite well.  I use men and women for roles, not
>>> genders. When I first started calling, we considered “lady” to be a four
>>> letter word - women’s movement and bra burning and all that. I still find
>>> it hard to use the word “lady” and not bristle. Times have changed, now
>>> people bristle at men and women. Go figure. I didn’t correct the “g-word”
>>> use on this version
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