[Callers] Ladies

[Tom Hinds]

Thanks Angela.  If only we could easily change our gender so we could  
understand what it's like to be the other sex.




On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Angela DeCarlis wrote:

> Tom, I had this conversation with Sue Rosen this summer. Women who  
> belong to the original Feminist generation (like Sue and,  
> presumably, like Mary and Martha above) were involved in a cultural  
> movement to abolish the word "Lady", along with its restrictive  
> connotations, in favor of "Woman". The latter label, I understand,  
> was one which lent more power and ownership to its wearers, and so  
> was preferable. You could be however you were, "ladylike" or not,  
> and still be a Woman. (others, please chime in if I've gotten  
> anything wrong or missed anything!)
>
> My generation has an opposite problem: due to the modern-day Gender  
> Revolution, wherein we seek to abolish the gender dichotomy, terms  
> like "Woman" and "Man" feel too restrictive and denotative. "Lady"  
> and "Gent" feel almost more comfortable to some, since they are  
> words that are slightly more flexible, in some ways.
>
> One of the biggest problems for both groups, I think, is when the  
> terms are used interchangeably.
>
> This is one of my favorite things to think about when it comes to  
> role terms in dance today! I *love* our community's  
> intergenerationality, and learning about each other through  
> conversations like this!
>
> Eventually I hope to get around to writing in about the changes  
> I've seen at BIDA since switching to Larks and Ravens at the  
> beginning of the summer. It's been truly remarkable!
>
> 'Til then,
> Angela
>
> On Oct 14, 2017 9:26 AM, "Mary Collins via Callers"  
> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Martha, I dont recall this dance of which you speak. Could you  
> share the true title and calls? Thanks! I also cringe over ladies  
> (I don't fit that tradition) yet it is a good "place holder, ROLE  
> identifer" for my communities.
>
> On Oct 14, 2017 9:06 AM, "Tom Hinds via Callers"  
> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I must have fallen asleep during a discussion of "ladies".  What's  
> the issue?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Martha Wild via Callers  
> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve got a gypsy star dance (I actually call it “Star Wrong” and  
> not just because of the g-word, but because if you say “gypsy star”  
> everybody starts to gypsy and NOT star, so I gave up on that  
> confusing terminology). Haven’t seen another dance like it. The  
> move from mad robin into the star wrong actually flows quite well.   
> I use men and women for roles, not genders. When I first started  
> calling, we considered “lady” to be a four letter word - women’s  
> movement and bra burning and all that. I still find it hard to use  
> the word “lady” and not bristle. Times have changed, now people  
> bristle at men and women. Go figure. I didn’t correct the “g-word”  
> use on this version
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