[Callers] tips for teaching dancing the "other" role?

Tue Jul 5 15:57:33 PDT 2016

Everything Maia said!

Also, if you find you are teaching to people who are doing well with both
roles, and want to learn when they can switch within a dance other than in
a swing, the easiest places are in Long lines if one is across from your
partner, (do like a hole-in-the wall gypsy), in Long lines, if one is next
to your partner (add a roll away) and then adding or subtracting a 1/2 turn
in an allemande or do si do w/ partner.

I would also remind dancers that all flourishes are offers and should feel
like offers, and dancers should talk about flourishes with their partner
and whether or not they would like any.

Have fun!

A

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers <
callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> I find that a lot of people who have danced mostly the gent's role, when
> they start dancing the lady's role, think that when they swing, they're
> supposed to go backwards or sorta sideways... I mean, hell, a lot of people
> think that's how a lady swings when they first start dancing that role!
> But, I emphasize that you're both walking (or buzz-stepping) *forward*,
> roughly aiming at a point over your partner's shoulder. In fact, *the
> footwork for a swing for both roles is exactly the same!!!* A good way to
> emphasize this might be to have participants do a gender-neutral swing
> (e.g. right hand on shoulder blade, left hand clasped with partner above
> the heads) and then change the hand position into your classic ballroom
> swing (perhaps even trying out ballroom position with person A leading,
> then with person B leading) and noting how the footwork stays the same.
>
> Ending the swing on the opposite side also takes some getting used to.
> Instead of emphasizing which role ends where ("gent ends on the left... oh
> god, am I the gent??"), I find it useful to talk about ending the swing
> with the "pointy end" pointing in the direction you want to be facing, and
> releasing from there--works for both roles, so no scrambling to remember
> what role you're dancing and what side you're supposed to end up on.
>
> You might lean towards selecting dances where tricky gendered stuff (e.g.
> the courtesy turn, which many people will be learning for the first time in
> their new role) happens with a neighbor. If it happens that you and your
> partner are both confused about how to do a courtesy turn in your new role
> and the only courtesy turns happen with your partner, you're not going to
> get any help.
>
> Lastly (and this is something that I urge allllll you folks on the
> listserv to do, even if you're not calling specifically gender-neutral
> dances): use gender-neutral language to describe the roles! I find this
> every effective for breaking down role gender expectations, even if the
> role names themselves are gendered. So rather than "gents, take that
> neighbor lady and scoop her around in a courtesy turn", say, "scoop *them* around
> in a courtesy turn".
>
> Good luck! Let us know how it goes, and what did or didn't work well!
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Chris Page via Callers <
> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> One subtle thing that's different is progression instincts -- typically
>> men's
>> role progress on the left, women's on the right. (Like with a final B2
>> of circle left 3/4, pass through).
>>
>>
>> The few times I've had everyone do a gender swap, I've gone with the
>> dance "Bicoastal Contra" by Pete Campbell.
>>
>>
>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/2008-April/009516.html
>>
>> Two swings, one courtesy turn, a men's allemande, fairly simple
>> choreography -- and neither swing need end with the correct person on
>> the right.
>>
>> -Chris Page
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Susan Pleck via Callers
>> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > I'm to lead a workshop/extended intro lesson at a local dance this
>> Saturday
>> > on gender-free dancing/dancing the "other" role/switching roles.  Not
>> having
>> > done this before, I'd appreciate any thoughts or advice about what this
>> > should include.  For the gender-free aspect, I'm not sure there's much
>> to
>> > discuss, really; ir'd be more just giving dancers a chance to practice
>> > responding to different terms.  For dancing the other role, though, what
>> > points of emphasis do you think would be most useful?  Two that come to
>> mind
>> > are swing positioning/giving weight, and figures such as a chain where
>> the
>> > actions of the two roles are different.
>> >
>> > thank you!
>> > Susan Pleck
>> > Oakland, CA
>> >
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