[Callers] Surely this already exists?

Mon Aug 22 07:58:11 PDT 2016

Thank you to everyone who chimed in; fun to hear about all the versions and
folks preferences.

I, personally, am glad my (digital) box is big enough for all of the
variations. I can see instances where I'd use any of them. With
predominately new dancers on the first duple improper of the evening, I
think the ladies on their own for an allemande would fare better than the
"help" gents can give on the courtesy turn of a chain. I agree with Jack
that chain->face new neighbor can be a tough transition. But Troxler's is
straightforward enough that you could use it to focus on teaching a chain
to new dancers; with a forgiving squishy entry into the DSD. And I haven't
broken a hundred times yet with Nice Combination, but I'm sure I will.

Thanks again. This discussion has even got me thinking about another thing
I'd like to discuss on shared weight.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
>
> While I appreciate Jack's comments about the chain/B&S progression, that
> is more of a teaching issue than a choreographic one.  More important is
> how much assistance those in the ladies role can get from their partner in
> B2b.  In a chain they can get that from the joined hands in the long
> lines.  But for the allemande L they need to let go from their partner and
> are on their own.  That help would occur if Luke's dance finished with a
> ladies allemande R 1 1/2, but that would not flow as well into the next
> neighbor dosido.  So I'll stick with Nice Combo/Troxler's on the
> Loose/Forgotten Treasure -
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Callers <callers-bounces at lists.sharedweight.net> on behalf of
> Jack Mitchell via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:27 PM
> *To:* Linda Leslie; Luke Donforth
> *Cc:* Callers at Lists.Sharedweight.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Surely this already exists?
>
> Though I know that there are lots of traditional dances with a ladies
> chain (turn away) new N...., I am really not crazy about them.  Ok....I'll
> admit it, I actively dislike them.  Particularly for new dancers, and
> particularly going to a discrete move like a balance.  It requires the lady
> to extricate themselves from a previous neighbor (who *should certainly
> not* twirl and forget, but frequently does), and requires the (polite)
> gent to turn away from their direction of progression to get new ladies
> pointed in the right direction at the end of the courtesy turn before the
> gent can progress (and for that matter, requires the courtesy turn to be
> either done more quickly, or otherwise to be cut short to get everyone
> going in the right direction.  (don't even get me started on dances that
> have a butterfly whirl -> turn away to a new neighbor).   (There are dances
> -- like Punctuated Raindrops -- that have that progression, that I will
> still call a) because they're great dances other than that and b) because
> the timing of the progression isn't discrete -- if you're late to start the
> allemande L, it's ok, the timing will work out in the wash.)  </rant>
>
> The ladies allemande L progression, 1) puts the ladies in a bit more
> control, 2) allows the caller to point out where they're going, and who
> they're going to and 3) leaves a free hand available to reach out to the
> new neighbor.  Even with similarities in the rest of the dance, I think
> that is really enough to make it a distinct (and a more accessible) dance
> from the ones mentioned.
>
> Jack
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM Linda Leslie via Callers <
> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> This dance is virtually the same as Troxler’s on the Loose, by Chris
>> Ricciotti. The only difference in Chris’ dance is that the final move is a
>> ladies chain.
>> Beth Parkes also wrote a dance that is mostly the same: Forgotten
>> treasure. She begins the dance with a N B&S, and ends it with a chain as
>> well.
>> Linda
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers <
>> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I was trying to find an easy and accessible dance, a real glossary
>> basic contra.
>> >
>> > I feel like this must already exist, but I'm not finding it in my
>> notes. Someone got a prior?
>> >
>> > Type: Contra
>> > Formation: Duple-Improper
>> >
>> > A1 -----------
>> > (8) Neighbor Do-si-do
>> > (8) Neighbor swing, end facing down the hall
>> > A2 -----------
>> > (8) Down the hall, four in line (turn as couples)
>> > (8) Return and Bend the line
>> > B1 -----------
>> > (6) Circle Left 3/4
>> > (10) Partner swing
>> > B2 -----------
>> > (8) Long lines, forward and back
>> > (8) Women allemande Left 1-1/2
>> >
>> > The B2 could be W DSD 1.5, although I like the allemande for the
>> connection for brand new dancers. I specifically chose the left hand to
>> leave the women facing towards their new neighbor.
>> >
>> > I know it's really close to a bunch of other stuff. B2 could be C L
>> 3/4, balance and pass through; or chain to left hand star à la The Nice
>> Combination; etc.
>> >
>> > Barring it already having been named by someone else, I'm going to call
>> it "Having Fun with PAM" to keep track of it in my box; since I just got
>> back from the fabulous PAMFest (Peacham Acoustic Music Festival).
>> >
>> > Thanks.
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> Jack Mitchell
> Durham, NC
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