[Callers] Progressive politics? Ha, ha

George Mercer via Callers callers at lists.sharedweight.net
Fri Oct 30 11:50:34 PDT 2015


I am a free speech kind of guy and about as progressive as they come.
Political correctness is a loaded term that I avoid at almost all costs.
There is no constitutional provision to claim a right to not be offended.
Neither should there be one. The world and life are just to complex and
complicated for that.

Having said that, I'll add that it is wise to remember that it is better to
be nice than it is to be not nice; it is better to encourage people to be
nice rather than not nice; it is better to create and enhance an
environment where people will want to be nice and not be not nice. That's
human kindness, thoughtfulness and making the world better, not politics or
language manipulation.

The discussion has been interesting and, for me, profitable, so I'll leave
it with this. I will continue to use the "g" word as necessary while at the
same time endeavoring to find good workable (for me and others)
alternatives.  I will continue to use "allemande" until such time as I may
have to change, I prefer it to "turn," which in dancing can have a whole
different and therefore confusing meaning.  I liked the reference to "gents
and ladies" being class-based terms. They are and, as someone who has
spoken out upon hearing someone say, "He is a classy person" or "she did
that with class" I have thought long and hard about the usage in contra
dancing.  Still I prefer them to "men and women" which for me is clumsy and
on the dance floor sound very similar.  While I use active and inactive on
my dance cards, I rarely use them when instructing or calling, I find them
even clumsier. Lead and follow are also rarely functional.  So until I find
something better, "Gents and ladies" it is. The terms are indeed
class-based, but other words are religion-based, or
ethnic-discrimination-based, even ageism-based and sexism-based. Language
is kind of that way. And English is confusing and cluttered enough without
making more rules. Clarity appears to me to be all important. For that
matter, the same thing applies to numbering couples of neighbors #1, 2, 3,
etc. They can be problematic and vaguely imply status, but for the moment
they're what I've got. If you want to get into it even proper and improper
can have issues. In the mean time, I'd rather dance than call -- at least
until the body gives out -- so much of this is just theory for me. Lets
keep working on it and discussing it as friends   Thanks, George Mercer


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers <
callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
> >
> > I have been contra dancing for 30 years or so and this is the first
> > time I've encountered a question about "gypsy" being controversial.
> > The people who contra dance on average are well left of center
> > politically--people who would never use an ethnically offensive
> > word.(Finding a bumper sticker at a contra dance gathering supporting
> > a Republican candidate is quite impossible.)As you noted, language
> > evolves, and the use of "gypsy" in contra dancing never had any
> > offensive baggage or intent. Given the thousands of left-wing contra
> > dancers who have guiltlessly gypsied over the years, having a single
> > individual (who may not well be a member of the allegedly offended
> > group) come to a dance, and for some reason makes the connection she
> > did, does not seem adequate to drop the word.
>
> <belly laugh>  Your suggestion that progressive people promoting
> political correctness always stick to their progressive principles is
> risible.  I suggest that you do some research into the countless number
> of times that "progressive" people have screwed over minorities who
> weren't in their own demographic.
>
> To save you a bit of time, here's one specific example that consumed
> large amounts of time and emotional energy in one of my other social
> groups:
>
> http://fanlore.org/wiki/RaceFail_%2709
>
> > Your examples of "nigger" and "faggot" are not comparable, as they are
> > today often sill used with intended hate.
>
> Please re-read the messages pointing out that in Europe, particularly,
> "gypsy" still definitely gets used as a hateful slur.  And I don't know
> enough about *ALL* of American culture to presume that "gypsy" isn't used
> that way here in significant subcultures.  Certainly "gyp" (as a verb)
> does get used.
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