[Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 86, Issue 1

Donna Calhoun tncontracaller at gmail.com
Sun Oct 2 10:32:25 PDT 2011


It would not bother me to have my name left of, but some long-time dancers use that information in deciding which dances they can attend. Maybe you don't have to leave the name off. Just change the role to MC or some other title that does not have the square dance connection.

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> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:09:14 -0700
> From: Greg McKenzie <grekenzie at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Recruiting new dancers
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> Thank you all for these great ideas.
> 
> I agree that the square dance connection is a turn-off to lots of new
> dancers considering contras.  I just completed a flyer for an upcoming dance
> here and this discussion has influenced my design.  I love putting the
> musician and band names on the flyer because it emphasizes the live music
> and the kind of instruments used.  After reading these comments, however, I
> asked myself: Why list the caller's name?  The presence of a "caller"
> definitely links the dancing to the square dance tradition.  So I removed my
> own name as caller from the flyer.
> 
> I'm not sure how other callers will take this but it makes sense to me.
> Only the regular dancers will note who the caller is, and *the flyer is not
> meant to target the regulars*.  The name of the caller only raises questions
> in the minds of people who know nothing about a contra dance.  It seems to
> me that the phrase: "All dances taught," should be sufficient information
> for new folks.
> 
> What do *you *think?  How would you, as the caller, feel about having your
> name left off of a flyer for a dance you are calling?
> 
> - Greg McKenzie
> 
> **************
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Martha Edwards <meedwards at westendweb.com>wrote:
> 
>> Just to set a record straight, I believe it was Spider Vetter who came up
>> with the "Ants-Pants-Contradance" idea. My kid went to UChicago about the
>> time she started the UChicago dance, and I heard the story back then. It
>> was
>> such a great idea I've been bragging on her ever since, and feel she should
>> be given a whole bunch of credit from us!
>> 
>> Here's what she said when I checked with her about it:
>> 
>> That's absolutely true. I came up with the Ants-Pants-Contra dance
>> promotion
>> idea in November of 2001, and put it into circulation for the Hyde Park
>> contra dance in the first week of January 2002. We accompanied the flyer
>> with a huge campaign of sidewalk chalk, all around the University of
>> Chicago
>> campus, which Jena Barchas Lichtenstein and I spent several hours doing one
>> cold January night in the snow. The flyers went up the same night. The
>> guerilla approach to advertising was a huge success--the next day, people
>> were talking about it nonstop, and I believe we had almost 80 attendees at
>> the dance, most of them just interested parties who didn't have any idea
>> what the event was.
>> 
>> This was, incidentally, right around the time that we started holding the
>> Hyde Park dances consistently every month, so the Hyde Park dance is now
>> almost 10 years old.
>> 
>> I met Julia Nickles only once, at a New Year's Eve party at the end of
>> 2004.
>> At that time, she was interested in new ideas to promote the dance at
>> Brown,
>> which she had just become involved with. I told her about my experience
>> with
>> the Hyde Park dance, and about some of my ideas, and I suggested that she
>> try something like that. Julia asked if she could use some of my ideas and
>> I
>> said "sure, they seem to have worked in Chicago."
>> 
>> Not a Big Deal, and Julia deserves a lot of credit, too, for getting the
>> idea well-promoted.
>> 
>> Spider also taught me NOT to tell people that "contra dancing is sort of
>> like square dancing." Sometimes, she won't even tell people what it is.
>> "You
>> have to show up to find out," she'll say, or "it's fun dancing to live
>> music."
>> 
>> M
>> E
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> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Mckeever <macmck at ymail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Recruiting new dancers
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> Greg,
> 
> I hadn't thought about that before - but it makes sense.? The caller's name is meaningless to new dancers and could even be a distraction.? The bands often have colorful names that could attract attention.? You do have to try to look at it from a potential dancer's perspective.? I want to know about the event.? The caller's name is kind of an inside thing - I am sure no one sees the flyer and says - wow - look who's calling - I need to do this.
> 
> Mac McKeever
> 
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> ________________________________
> From: Greg McKenzie <grekenzie at gmail.com>
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers at sharedweight.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Recruiting new dancers
> 
> Thank you all for these great ideas.
> 
> I agree that the square dance connection is a turn-off to lots of new
> dancers considering contras.? I just completed a flyer for an upcoming dance
> here and this discussion has influenced my design.? I love putting the
> musician and band names on the flyer because it emphasizes the live music
> and the kind of instruments used.? After reading these comments, however, I
> asked myself: Why list the caller's name?? The presence of a "caller"
> definitely links the dancing to the square dance tradition.? So I removed my
> own name as caller from the flyer.
> 
> I'm not sure how other callers will take this but it makes sense to me.
> Only the regular dancers will note who the caller is, and *the flyer is not
> meant to target the regulars*.? The name of the caller only raises questions
> in the minds of people who know nothing about a contra dance.? It seems to
> me that the phrase: "All dances taught," should be sufficient information
> for new folks.
> 
> What do *you *think?? How would you, as the caller, feel about having your
> name left off of a flyer for a dance you are calling?
> 
> - Greg McKenzie
> 
> **************
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Martha Edwards <meedwards at westendweb.com>wrote:
> 
>> Just to set a record straight, I believe it was Spider Vetter who came up
>> with the "Ants-Pants-Contradance" idea. My kid went to UChicago about the
>> time she started the UChicago dance, and I heard the story back then. It
>> was
>> such a great idea I've been bragging on her ever since, and feel she should
>> be given a whole bunch of credit from us!
>> 
>> Here's what she said when I checked with her about it:
>> 
>> That's absolutely true. I came up with the Ants-Pants-Contra dance
>> promotion
>> idea in November of 2001, and put it into circulation for the Hyde Park
>> contra dance in the first week of January 2002. We accompanied the flyer
>> with a huge campaign of sidewalk chalk, all around the University of
>> Chicago
>> campus, which Jena Barchas Lichtenstein and I spent several hours doing one
>> cold January night in the snow. The flyers went up the same night. The
>> guerilla approach to advertising was a huge success--the next day, people
>> were talking about it nonstop, and I believe we had almost 80 attendees at
>> the dance, most of them just interested parties who didn't have any idea
>> what the event was.
>> 
>> This was, incidentally, right around the time that we started holding the
>> Hyde Park dances consistently every month, so the Hyde Park dance is now
>> almost 10 years old.
>> 
>> I met Julia Nickles only once, at a New Year's Eve party at the end of
>> 2004.
>> At that time, she was interested in new ideas to promote the dance at
>> Brown,
>> which she had just become involved with. I told her about my experience
>> with
>> the Hyde Park dance, and about some of my ideas, and I suggested that she
>> try something like that. Julia asked if she could use some of my ideas and
>> I
>> said "sure, they seem to have worked in Chicago."
>> 
>> Not a Big Deal, and Julia deserves a lot of credit, too, for getting the
>> idea well-promoted.
>> 
>> Spider also taught me NOT to tell people that "contra dancing is sort of
>> like square dancing." Sometimes, she won't even tell people what it is.
>> "You
>> have to show up to find out," she'll say, or "it's fun dancing to live
>> music."
>> 
>> M
>> E
>> _______________________________________________
>> Callers mailing list
>> Callers at sharedweight.net
>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers
>> 
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