[Callers] Crossing over instruction and hands four

Martha Wild mawild at sbcglobal.net
Wed Dec 1 22:55:50 PST 2010


On hands four and crossing over:
Ron,
I've had the same experience - I'm not sure if I forgot to tell  
people in the beginner session (when I usually do it, like Chris)  
that when they became ones or twos at the top or bottom, that they  
should wait out and cross over, or whether I had some newcomers that  
missed the instruction, but I remember a couple popping out at the  
top and then racing to the bottom of the set to start over. Quite fun  
to watch. So I definitely try to make sure if I can that newcomers  
aren't clueless.

And Richard, I'm certainly not going to stop saying "Hands four from  
the top", especially since in a lot of places I've called, even if  
the dancers start to line up crossed over, it just doesn't seem to  
propagate all the way down the line, and the people at the bottom  
have no idea what group they are in. The fact that some partners are  
running around getting a drink or whatever and leaving gaps in the  
line makes it particularly difficult for people to figure out what  
group they're in if hands four (or three (or two!) plus ghost(s))  
isn't done. Sometimes if people are being particularly slow I just  
say "do-si-do your neighbor (whatever the dance) and everyone  
suddenly rushes about trying to figure out who their neighbor should  
be - then I say - OK, that was just to identify your neighbor, now  
this is the dance.

Oh, and Chris, I suspect that the dancers line up proper here in San  
Diego because over the years the callers here have called proper  
dances frequently enough that our dancers wait to find out what we  
are up to. I do try to make sure mine are fun ones with double  
progressions or both ones and twos swinging their partners, for  
example. Hey, and you've called a number of 2's crossed over recently  
- which is easier to instruct if they haven't crossed over yet.
Martha

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> From: Mark Widmer <widmermt at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [Callers] Telling couples to switch at the end of a contra
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> Hey, I was wondering what other callers thought about the  
> following: often, during the walkthrough of the 1st contra dance of  
> the evening, the caller explains that dancers should trade places  
> with their partner whenever they reach the end of the set
>
> However, I never do this, and have never had a problem as a result  
> -- the experienced dancers in the set, apparently, are able to get  
> the new dancers to do this, and nobody has ever complained to me  
> that I didn't instruct dancers to switch
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> I have wondered what others thought about this -- my own thinking  
> is why take time to explain something when it isn't necessary?
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> From: Ron Nelson <callerman at hotmail.com>
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> Hi Mark,
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> One unintended consequence of not covering the end effect on the  
> walk through that happened when I was calling was to have the top  
> couple dash to the bottom of the set to get back into the action.
>
> Ron Nelson
> Chula Vista, CA
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> From: Richard Fischer <richardallenfischer at verizon.net>
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> And a related question: when will callers stop saying "Hands four  
> from the top, number ones cross over"--in acknowledgement that  
> improper formation is the default for modern contras?  I'm curious  
> how many callers have already stopped saying that. Or to put the  
> question another way, in how many dance communities do dancers line  
> up inproper and not expect a reminder to "cross over" and be in  
> improper formation?
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> Richard
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> The prompt "hands four from the top" should always be said, I would
> never assume, nor do the dances I call on a regular basis make that
> assumption. The instruction.. Cross over when at the foot of the set..
> I leave out of my walkthroughs.. and they have always figured it out.
>
> On occasion when calling in a new venue and I see dancers
> automatically lining up improper.. I call hand six, it keeps them
> focused.  I call many proper dances (chestnuts) in any given night
> keeping the dancers connected to the music the dance and our shared
> history.
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> Don Primrose / Nelson NH
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> I dunno. I'm happy to encourage them to automatically take
> hands four -- it saves me the hardest part of my job if they
> can organize without my prompting. When I do call triple
> minors I just remember to start announcing hands six
> early in the line-up phase.
>
> Interestingly enough in San Diego, the dancer default
> is to line up proper, even though it's unusual for a
> proper dance to be called.
>
> As for the original question, adding "ones cross over"
> while they take hands four isn't time you could be saying
> anything else, as people are still getting organized and
> aren't in place for the first move of the dance.
>
> I tend to talk about crossing over at the ends during the
> beginner's session, rather than the first dance. Though if
> they've heard it, they have some context as experienced
> dancers are waving to them to trade sides.
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> -Chris Page
> San Diego
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